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Post by jonksy on Feb 28, 2023 10:51:26 GMT
The reason why many voted to leave the EUSSR was because of people like this.  Unelected, with no mechanism to remove by the people. Who voted for her, how is she removed . There is no democracy in the EUSSR therefore its wrong. Like Sunak. He was elected and there is a mechanism in place that can hold him to acount....As May, Boris and Liz truss found out. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 11:18:11 GMT
It is quite clear now rhat those who declare an interest in the EU aren't interested.
Thomas summarised the attempt to solve the hardest problem of Brexit which Boris never bothered to solve.
But instead of discussing the proposed agreement, the same facile superficial flag waving 6 year old knuckleheaded and often incorrect tropes start all over again.
Any conversation about the EU in here is like talking to an old fashioned record player. Put the needle anywhere and you always get the same sound.
Utter waste of time. Who would voluntarily visit a space where whenever you do, you hear the same babble.
If anyone would like to try to answer my pervious question I would be delighted. But be careful. It takes some basic knowledge of the EU/UK relationship to do so.
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Post by Toreador on Feb 28, 2023 11:22:10 GMT
It is quite clear now rhat those who declare an interest in the EU aren't interested. Thomas summarised the attempt to solve the hardest problem of Brexit which Boris never bothered to solve. But instead of discussing the proposed agreement, the same facile superficial flag waving 6 year old knuckleheaded and often incorrect tropes start all over again. Any conversation about the EU in here is like talking to an old fashioned record player. Put the needle anywhere and you always get the same sound. Utter waste of time. Who would voluntarily visit a space where whenever you do, you hear the same babble. If anyone would like to try to answer my pervious question I would be delighted. But be careful. It takes some basic knowledge of the EU/UK relationship to do so. Because some parties would object/have objected. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 28, 2023 11:43:43 GMT
I know you have an interest in rubbishing the agreement and I'm not convinced that it goes far enough. im not rubbishing anything. Dont shoot the messenger pacifico , because the DUP tell you it doesnt meet their tests , and both northern irish and many british unionists are deeply unhappy about it. Richard tice and reform are slating it as a BRINO deal.
Like i said , we will see the meat being put o nthe bones in the coming days , but i suspect sunak is going to get severe grief.
Tory party pr stunt nothing more. Northern ireland remains european.
Well we are all European thomas... The DUP objections are well known and it is doubtful whether anything short of a no-deal exit would have totally satisfied them. However it seems to be this is about as good as it gets - ironically if the Brake idea had been available to the UK in Camerons renegotiation it is highly unlikely we would have left the EU in the first place. From a trade perspective the agreement has ensured that practically every business in the UK is now a 'trusted trader' and can ship goods to NI without hindrance, which is a massive improvement on the Protocol and its good that the EU was willing to move that far. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 28, 2023 11:46:55 GMT
The reason why many voted to leave the EUSSR was because of people like this. Unelected, with no mechanism to remove by the people. Who voted for her, how is she removed . There is no democracy in the EUSSR therefore its wrong. Like Sunak. Sunak was elected by his constituents, who are hers? |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 12:41:17 GMT
The president of the commission is proposed by the elected Council and decided by the EU Parliament.
All of whom were voted for by the people of the members of the EU.
If you don't know the basic facts, STFU
She can be sacked by the Parliament.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 28, 2023 13:05:50 GMT
The president of the commission is proposed by the elected Council and decided by the EU Parliament. Not the voters then. Like I said.... |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 13:38:02 GMT
The president of the commission is proposed by the elected Council and decided by the EU Parliament. Not the voters then. Like I said.... I caught this Are you congenitally stupid? Voters vote for the EU Parliament. Voters vote for their national leaders, the council. READ THE EU CONSTITUTION. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 28, 2023 13:41:42 GMT
Not the voters then. Like I said.... I caught this Are you congenitally stupid? Voters vote for the EU Parliament. Voters vote for their national leaders, the council. READ THE EU CONSTITUTION. You make the mistake of thinking that is democracy. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 28, 2023 13:59:29 GMT
Not the voters then. Like I said.... Voters vote for the EU Parliament. Voters vote for their national leaders, the council. READ THE EU CONSTITUTION. There is no formal EU constitution. There is the Lisbon Treaty (which I have read). The way things were I'm afraid are not good enough for me or the UK. Read the 2016 referendum vote if you don't understand (we triggered Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty). We're out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 14:31:50 GMT
He was elected and there is a mechanism in place that can hold him to acount....As May, Boris and Liz truss found out. She was elected by the EU. On 2 July 2019, von der Leyen was proposed by the European Council as their candidate for the office of President of the European Commission. On 16 July, her nomination was approved by the European Parliament with 383 to 327 votes. More democratic that the Tories. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 28, 2023 14:35:09 GMT
He was elected and there is a mechanism in place that can hold him to acount....As May, Boris and Liz truss found out. She was elected by the EU. On 2 July 2019, von der Leyen was proposed by the European Council as their candidate for the office of President of the European Commission. On 16 July, her nomination was approved by the European Parliament with 383 to 327 votes. More democratic that the Tories. She was elected behind closed doors and not ONE single person of the odd 400 million who make up the EUSSR populance had a single say. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 14:53:19 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 15:10:40 GMT
Voters vote for the EU Parliament. Voters vote for their national leaders, the council. READ THE EU CONSTITUTION. There is no formal EU constitution. There is the Lisbon Treaty (which I have read). The way things were I'm afraid are not good enough for me or the UK. Read the 2016 referendum vote if you don't understand (we triggered Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty). We're out. I don't care what you call it. guides.law.columbia.edu/c.php?g=1221803&p=9087251#:~:text=The%20Draft%20Constitution%20was%20completed,state%20on%20October%2029%2C%202004. Nor am I getting into a pointless argument with you. If you choose to spend your singular life believing lies, I am sure the vast number of those knowing the truth will trample you without even knowing you are there. Frankly I don't care what you believe any more than I care if you believe there are still dinosaurs somewhere. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 15:14:02 GMT
She was elected by the EU. On 2 July 2019, von der Leyen was proposed by the European Council as their candidate for the office of President of the European Commission. On 16 July, her nomination was approved by the European Parliament with 383 to 327 votes. More democratic that the Tories. She was elected behind closed doors and not ONE single person of the odd 400 million who make up the EUSSR populance had a single say. Please define representative democracy. If it works for cabinet appointments, supreme Court judges, all other judges and ambassadors, it works in the EU By the way have you never voted for your MEP? Or just stood about wondering what was going on? |
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