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Post by zanygame on Feb 28, 2023 18:48:48 GMT
Except that only happened in Nigels wet dreams. Far from it. How many were carried out in Ireland until the EUSSR got their way? Nope. That's Nigel's dream. Ireland voted no because of abortion laws. The EU offered them an exemption. The IRISH GOVERNMENT chose to have a second referendum offering the new deal and it was voted in. No pressure from the EU. Just good old common sense. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 28, 2023 18:52:29 GMT
Far from it. How many were carried out in Ireland until the EUSSR got their way? Nope. That's Nigel's dream. Ireland voted no because of abortion laws. The EU offered them an exemption. The IRISH GOVERNMENT chose to have a second referendum offering the new deal and it was voted in. No pressure from the EU. Just good old common sense. Under the orders of the EUSSR... |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 28, 2023 18:59:18 GMT
No reply then Zanygame,I’ll speculate then and feel free to put me straight,you don’t approve of referenda? Sorry been at work since 6.30 this morning, just sat down. I do approve of referenda. In a re-vote I would want to know what's on offer before I voted. So put your issues to the EU, FoM, sovereignty, etc. Debate the solutions. Put the offer to the voter. Acceptable/Not acceptable. Contrary to the stereo-typification I was a border line voter. I recognised the growing gap between UK's ways and the EU's. I felt FoM was a particular issue for us because English is the worlds second language. I was re-assured by the EU's offer to put a moratorium on FoM for 4 years while we looked at changes we might make. On balance I felt the loss of trade with our biggest trade partner swung it for me. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 28, 2023 19:01:49 GMT
You need to move away from Britain if you're seeking true democracy but don't ask where you should move to. Isn't it absurd that these remnants harp on about democrocy but wish to be controlled by unelected failed polits where there is no mechanism to remove them once they have been chosen behind closed doors? We wish to have the choice, just as you did. I find it strange you so wanted democracy only to deny it when you fear it will go against you. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 28, 2023 19:02:50 GMT
Very few people support the one vote democracy where the public are denied the right to change their minds. As far as I can see a system where you get one vote and are then stuck with the result whatever happens is not called democracy. Well that is nonsense. If you want a vote on joining the EU vote for a party promising you a vote on joining the EU - which is precisely what enough people did to force a referendum in the first place. If you only vote for parties who are unwilling to allow a vote you only have yourself to blame. I would just point out that we have had 2 General Elections since the referendum vote. If that's true, how come you had to have a referendum. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 28, 2023 19:03:29 GMT
Isn't it absurd that these remnants harp on about democrocy but wish to be controlled by unelected failed polits where there is no mechanism to remove them once they have been chosen behind closed doors? I find it strange you so wanted democracy only to deny it when you fear it will go against you. You had your choice and you lost....We had forty years before we got a choice. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 28, 2023 19:05:51 GMT
Imo the only way that Brexit would be a complete ‘ success’ is if we became ‘ Singapore on Thames ‘ . This isn’t going to happen so we do need a working relationship with the EU. There seems to be a lot of people with a vested interest for the Windsor agreement to fail. Agreed, but Singapore type economies only work with very small populations. Where low tax on a dozen or so corporate HQ's meets the needs of the populace. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 28, 2023 19:19:32 GMT
We wish to have the choice, just as you did. I find it strange you so wanted democracy only to deny it when you fear it will go against you. You had your choice and you lost....We had forty years before we got a choice. 1, You didn't ask for one. 2, If that was wrong why do you wish to repeat the error. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 28, 2023 19:19:52 GMT
Imo the only way that Brexit would be a complete ‘ success’ is if we became ‘ Singapore on Thames ‘ . This isn’t going to happen so we do need a working relationship with the EU. There seems to be a lot of people with a vested interest for the Windsor agreement to fail. Agreed, but Singapore type economies only work with very small populations. Where low tax on a dozen or so corporate HQ's meets the needs of the populace. I don’t think the idea was an exact parallel to Singapore . It means a low tax , less regulated workplace afaik . The whole of the UK couldn’t be financial hub like the city of London but it’s still an integral part of the UK. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 28, 2023 19:26:26 GMT
You had your choice and you lost....We had forty years before we got a choice. 1, You didn't ask for one.2, If that was wrong why do you wish to repeat the error. And? We had to bide our time for 40 years knowing we had been conned into joining the EUSSR....Funny how you remnants were content not to mention that fact or to reject democrocy tho isn't it? |
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Post by wapentake on Feb 28, 2023 19:27:47 GMT
No reply then Zanygame,I’ll speculate then and feel free to put me straight,you don’t approve of referenda? Sorry been at work since 6.30 this morning, just sat down. I do approve of referenda. In a re-vote I would want to know what's on offer before I voted. So put your issues to the EU, FoM, sovereignty, etc. Debate the solutions. Put the offer to the voter. Acceptable/Not acceptable. Contrary to the stereo-typification I was a border line voter. I recognised the growing gap between UK's ways and the EU's. I felt FoM was a particular issue for us because English is the worlds second language. I was re-assured by the EU's offer to put a moratorium on FoM for 4 years while we looked at changes we might make. On balance I felt the loss of trade with our biggest trade partner swung it for me. Thank you for the reply,and yes you’ve made your stance clear. From my pov we waited a longtime for the referendum and I feel the decision hasn’t been given a chance I feel that a referendum was the right thing but there are those (obviously not you) who deride the referendum process. Were brexit be given the chance to stand as happened with the heath vote,I’m not saying four decades but a decent period another vote if called for and I’d stand by the result without complaint. I just find those who decry the referendum (imo because they lost) are dishonest and their ideas of what constitutes democracy relies on if the vote went their way. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 28, 2023 19:49:28 GMT
Far from it. How many were carried out in Ireland until the EUSSR got their way? Nope. That's Nigel's dream. Ireland voted no because of abortion laws. The EU offered them an exemption. The IRISH GOVERNMENT chose to have a second referendum offering the new deal and it was voted in. No pressure from the EU. Just good old common sense. That doesn't alter tha fact that Brian Cowen openly said he would not ask the Irish people to vote again. It also doesn't alter the fact that he and the EU should know about the Irish people and their view of abortion; once again you have it all wrong. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 28, 2023 20:06:22 GMT
From what Jacob Rees-Mogg has just said regarding this Windsor Framework, there are choppy waters ahead.
Sunak has said this deal will go ahead regardless of what the DUP or Tory back benchers think about it. Which suggests he knows they are not going to like it.
JRM currently on GB News.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 28, 2023 20:13:51 GMT
Agreed, but Singapore type economies only work with very small populations. Where low tax on a dozen or so corporate HQ's meets the needs of the populace. I don’t think the idea was an exact parallel to Singapore . It means a low tax , less regulated workplace afaik . The whole of the UK couldn’t be financial hub like the city of London but it’s still an integral part of the UK. Indeed, but when the population is bigger you have to add 'low wage' to 'low tax' to make the equation work. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 28, 2023 20:16:51 GMT
1, You didn't ask for one.2, If that was wrong why do you wish to repeat the error. And? We had to bide our time for 40 years knowing we had been conned into joining the EUSSR....Funny how you remnants were content not to mention that fact or to reject democrocy tho isn't it? You didn't have to wait, no one made you wait. |
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