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Post by wapentake on Feb 28, 2023 13:29:12 GMT
And sadly you don’t see you quoting Thatcher as a deviation,I don’t dispute what Thatcher did was wrong you are blind to his misdeeds and as you quote others your failure to acknowledge his exposes your dishonesty. I gave Thatcher as an example of the way the electorate can be easily led, not as a deviation. The one claim you offered about Blair that was to do with referendum, I answered and accepted as the truth. I make a point of pointing out false claims, insinuations and over opinionated opinions against Blair. If I am ever proved to have been mistaken in my posts over Blair I readily and willingly accept the proof. There would be nothing to be gained in doing otherwise. No you don’t you do what everybody else does on here and post your opinions which is far enough but that’s all they are. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 28, 2023 14:42:13 GMT
Well we're not paying to be in it anymore. Of course, being the main movers and shakers in Europe when it comes to science and tech they need us at the forefront. I knew they'd come grovelling eventually. Good to see the Ni deal improved, of course we'll chip away more at it when our economy starts motoring post-Covid.....If of course rishi hasn't sold us out yet again. The UK will be able to re-join the European Union's £84billion Horizon Europe scheme as part of the new Brexit package. Rishi Sunak this evening said the government has 'now taken back control' as he made a statement to MPs after shaking hands with EU commission president Ursula von der Leyen on the new agreement. And part of the package will include 'good news for all those who are working in research and science', the EU chief said, as the UK will recommence its participation within Horizon Europe......The EUSSR needs the UK far more than the UK needs the EUSSR. The scheme is supposed to allow British researchers access to grants and collaborations with European counterparts. But British scientists had previously been blocked from funding from the scheme until a new deal could be agreed - an issue that had been an obstacle during negotiations. www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/britain-will-be-able-to-rejoin-eu-s-84bn-horizon-europe-scheme-as-part-of-new-brexit-deal/ar-AA180re1?cvid=5a3211a5663b4f4eb062f780f61ef3d3&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&ei=5 |
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Post by see2 on Feb 28, 2023 16:43:58 GMT
I gave Thatcher as an example of the way the electorate can be easily led, not as a deviation. The one claim you offered about Blair that was to do with referendum, I answered and accepted as the truth. I make a point of pointing out false claims, insinuations and over opinionated opinions against Blair. If I am ever proved to have been mistaken in my posts over Blair I readily and willingly accept the proof. There would be nothing to be gained in doing otherwise. No you don’t you do what everybody else does on here and post your opinions which is far enough but that’s all they are. I know what I do in terms of defending Blair against lies and insinuations, you do not, so please do not put your opinionated words into my mouth. The time for you to post is when or if I get it wrong. If you do that with actual proof that I'm wrong I will not only accept your proof I will thank you for it. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 28, 2023 16:49:21 GMT
Well we're not paying to be in it anymore. Of course, being the main movers and shakers in Europe when it comes to science and tech they need us at the forefront. I knew they'd come grovelling eventually. Good to see the Ni deal improved, of course we'll chip away more at it when our economy starts motoring post-Covid.....If of course rishi hasn't sold us out yet again. The UK will be able to re-join the European Union's £84billion Horizon Europe scheme as part of the new Brexit package. Rishi Sunak this evening said the government has 'now taken back control' as he made a statement to MPs after shaking hands with EU commission president Ursula von der Leyen on the new agreement. And part of the package will include 'good news for all those who are working in research and science', the EU chief said, as the UK will recommence its participation within Horizon Europe......The EUSSR needs the UK far more than the UK needs the EUSSR. The scheme is supposed to allow British researchers access to grants and collaborations with European counterparts. But British scientists had previously been blocked from funding from the scheme until a new deal could be agreed - an issue that had been an obstacle during negotiations. www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/britain-will-be-able-to-rejoin-eu-s-84bn-horizon-europe-scheme-as-part-of-new-brexit-deal/ar-AA180re1?cvid=5a3211a5663b4f4eb062f780f61ef3d3&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&ei=5The position at the moment is a case of Give-and-Take. We are yet to see what the UK gives in order to get back the advantages we threw away with Brexit. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 28, 2023 16:53:42 GMT
From what I've just heard from some journalist in Belfast, on GB News, the mood music from the DUP is not good. This journalist gave an example of why the DUP are not happy. The example:
If the EU tell Ireland they have to cull cattle to save the planet as they have in Holland, which they might, it will apply to Northern Ireland as well. Northern Ireland can apply the 'handbrake' which means the UK government can go to the EU and ask for Northern Ireland to be exempt from this EU law. But this is the kicker, it is entirely up to the EU whether EU law is applied in Northern Ireland, which lets not forget is a part of the UK.
In the example given it was said the EU would be very unlikely to allow Northern Ireland to be exempt because it would put farmers in Northern Ireland at an advantage over farmers over the border in the EU state of Ireland.
If the example given is correct, then this new deal the so called 'Windsor Framework' is the smokescreen of all smokescreens. No wonder remainiacs are so keen to back it.
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Post by see2 on Feb 28, 2023 17:05:16 GMT
Far from it. How many were carried out in Ireland untill the EUSSR got their way? ....and for the record, following the rejection of the Lisbon Treaty, the lying gobshite Brian Cowen publically declared he would not ask the Irish people to vote again.....that was until the EU got him in a corner. Which isn't why the Irish people changed their vote. __"Basically, the fears that many people had about the Lisbon Treaty were collected, analysed and addressed. Therefore, the Irish government was able to go back to the people and ask them to vote again, with these new legally-binding assurances in mind. Whenever this topic is brought up, Eurosceptics will often try to frame it as though Ireland was forced to vote on the exact same treaty twice. However, this was not the case. We had issues with the Lisbon Treaty and those issues were dealt with. So why wouldn’t we have voted again? |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 28, 2023 17:23:44 GMT
From what I've just heard from some journalist in Belfast, on GB News, the mood music from the DUP is not good. This journalist gave an example of why the DUP are not happy. The example: If the EU tell Ireland they have to cull cattle to save the planet as they have in Holland, which they might, it will apply to Northern Ireland as well. Northern Ireland can apply the 'handbrake' which means the UK government can go to the EU and ask for Northern Ireland to be exempt from this EU law. But this is the kicker, it is entirely up to the EU whether EU law is applied in Northern Ireland, which lets not forget is a part of the UK. In the example given it was said the EU would be very unlikely to allow Northern Ireland to be exempt because it would put farmers in Northern Ireland at an advantage over farmers over the border in the EU state of Ireland. If the example given is correct, then this new deal the so called 'Windsor Framework' is the smokescreen of all smokescreens. No wonder remainiacs are so keen to back it. Thats not totally correct. It will be up to the UK Government, they will decide if EU law is applicable - however if they decide it is not applicable then the EU can take retaliatory action. In the case you highlighted I suspect that would be along the lines of banning the export of meat from NI to the the South. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 28, 2023 17:37:50 GMT
....and for the record, following the rejection of the Lisbon Treaty, the lying gobshite Brian Cowen publically declared he would not ask the Irish people to vote again.....that was until the EU got him in a corner. Which isn't why the Irish people changed their vote. __"Basically, the fears that many people had about the Lisbon Treaty were collected, analysed and addressed. Therefore, the Irish government was able to go back to the people and ask them to vote again, with these new legally-binding assurances in mind. Whenever this topic is brought up, Eurosceptics will often try to frame it as though Ireland was forced to vote on the exact same treaty twice. However, this was not the case. We had issues with the Lisbon Treaty and those issues were dealt with. So why wouldn’t we have voted again? Massive swerve, the issue was that lying gobshite Cowen said he would not ask the Irish people to vote again and the later changes should have been in the original script but they thought they'd get away with it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 28, 2023 17:38:31 GMT
From what I've just heard from some journalist in Belfast, on GB News, the mood music from the DUP is not good. This journalist gave an example of why the DUP are not happy. The example: If the EU tell Ireland they have to cull cattle to save the planet as they have in Holland, which they might, it will apply to Northern Ireland as well. Northern Ireland can apply the 'handbrake' which means the UK government can go to the EU and ask for Northern Ireland to be exempt from this EU law. But this is the kicker, it is entirely up to the EU whether EU law is applied in Northern Ireland, which lets not forget is a part of the UK. In the example given it was said the EU would be very unlikely to allow Northern Ireland to be exempt because it would put farmers in Northern Ireland at an advantage over farmers over the border in the EU state of Ireland. If the example given is correct, then this new deal the so called 'Windsor Framework' is the smokescreen of all smokescreens. No wonder remainiacs are so keen to back it. Thats not totally correct. It will be up to the UK Government, they will decide if EU law is applicable - however if they decide it is not applicable then the EU can take retaliatory action. In the case you highlighted I suspect that would be along the lines of banning the export of meat from NI to the the South. Well we'll see. The example given was from a journalist not a lawyer. But one thing is for sure, there's more to this deal than Sunak is willing to admit which is probably why Ursula is so happy and full of smiles. No doubt behind closed doors the commission are laughing their heads off. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 28, 2023 18:07:19 GMT
 So now we're onto page 2 of the Brexiters book of false excuses for the harm they've done How about discussing what I said, was the £ overvalued? Of course it wasn't, the spot value at any one time reflects what smarter and larger money than you or I and many others think of the UK's viability to be a serious trading nation. If they think it isn't they sell the £ down t a level they think we can cope with leaving Brits to swallow the inflation devaluation always produces. The £ fell in value from late 2014 as the smart money realised there was an ever increasing possibility and finally a certainty that we'd leave and harm the UK. £;$ history |
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Post by Steve on Feb 28, 2023 18:08:42 GMT
From what I've just heard from some journalist in Belfast, on GB News, the mood music from the DUP is not good. This journalist gave an example of why the DUP are not happy. The example: If the EU tell Ireland they have to cull cattle to save the planet as they have in Holland . . . Let's stop you right there That is not true as you should full well know. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 28, 2023 18:16:57 GMT
From what I've just heard from some journalist in Belfast, on GB News, the mood music from the DUP is not good. This journalist gave an example of why the DUP are not happy. The example: If the EU tell Ireland they have to cull cattle to save the planet as they have in Holland . . . Let's stop you right there That is not true as you should full well know. LOL, I see the sheriff is in town. How do you suppose Dutch farmers are going to reduce livestock numbers by 30% (that's about ½ a million animals) in order to meet EU environmental targets, if said animals are not culled? www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/emotion-and-pain-as-dutch-farmers-fight-back-against-huge-cuts-to-livestock |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 28, 2023 18:28:30 GMT
From what I've just heard from some journalist in Belfast, on GB News, the mood music from the DUP is not good. This journalist gave an example of why the DUP are not happy. The example: If the EU tell Ireland they have to cull cattle to save the planet as they have in Holland, which they might, it will apply to Northern Ireland as well. Northern Ireland can apply the 'handbrake' which means the UK government can go to the EU and ask for Northern Ireland to be exempt from this EU law. But this is the kicker, it is entirely up to the EU whether EU law is applied in Northern Ireland, which lets not forget is a part of the UK. In the example given it was said the EU would be very unlikely to allow Northern Ireland to be exempt because it would put farmers in Northern Ireland at an advantage over farmers over the border in the EU state of Ireland. If the example given is correct, then this new deal the so called 'Windsor Framework' is the smokescreen of all smokescreens. No wonder remainiacs are so keen to back it. I read an article yesterday mate that in this so-called agreement the UK have ditched 1722 EUSSR laws. That alone will tie up the lawyers for months or even years to decipher the smallprint. The EUSSR give nothing away and I bet it still favours their own stance and not the UK's. You can bet your bottom dollar it will be all smokescreens and mirrors. When the truth does out. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 28, 2023 18:44:37 GMT
From what I've just heard from some journalist in Belfast, on GB News, the mood music from the DUP is not good. This journalist gave an example of why the DUP are not happy. The example: If the EU tell Ireland they have to cull cattle to save the planet as they have in Holland, which they might, it will apply to Northern Ireland as well. Northern Ireland can apply the 'handbrake' which means the UK government can go to the EU and ask for Northern Ireland to be exempt from this EU law. But this is the kicker, it is entirely up to the EU whether EU law is applied in Northern Ireland, which lets not forget is a part of the UK. In the example given it was said the EU would be very unlikely to allow Northern Ireland to be exempt because it would put farmers in Northern Ireland at an advantage over farmers over the border in the EU state of Ireland. If the example given is correct, then this new deal the so called 'Windsor Framework' is the smokescreen of all smokescreens. No wonder remainiacs are so keen to back it. I read an article yesterday mate that in this so-called agreement the UK have ditched 1722 EUSSR laws. That alone will tie up the lawyers for months or even years to decipher the smallprint. The EUSSR give nothing away and I bet it still favours their own stance and not the UK's. You can bet your bottom dollar it will be all smokescreens and mirrors. When the truth does out. One thing we can depend on Jonksy, the small print always favours the EU. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 28, 2023 18:47:47 GMT
Oh it's all gone quiet over there Oh it's all gone quiet over there Oh it's all gone quiet, all gone quiet, all gone quiet over there. And again... |
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