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Post by jonksy on Feb 27, 2023 5:30:57 GMT
Either Sunak fulfills the Brexit' promise or Labour will win the next GE. 17,000,000 voters who invested heavily in politics at the Referendum are watching closely. ........The Devil will be in the detail....Remember the Maastricht/Lisbon Treaties. This from the Telegraph dated 19th April 2004.....QUOTE...Just a 'tidying-up exercise' or a drastic loss of sovereignty?...UNQUOTE. Lisbon Treaty was rejected by several countries...incl' the UK. The told by the EUSSR to go back and get it ratified by changing aspects of it. All that happened was a re-wording, wrapped up in solid "legalise" to confuse the general Public, giving the impression that it had been altered, when in fact in hadn't, it still gave ever more control over to Brussels.......This will be no different, they will just dress it up in a NEW COAT!
Rishi Sunak 'has won big concessions from the EUSSR and new deal will 'finish the job and ensure Brexit works', PM claims as he is poised to sign agreement with Brussels - despite warnings it could spark Tory civil war
EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen to travel to the UK on Monday
She is set to shake hands with Rishi Sunak on post-Brexit trading arrangements
The meeting over Northern Ireland trade agreements will take place in Windsor
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 27, 2023 7:31:10 GMT
The EU has been playing hardball with the NI border from the start and I can't see that they're going to concede any ground on this. Any agreement with the EU is a trap - and we should know this by now. The main question is whether NI has to continue to follow "dynamic alignment" with EU rules. If so the deal won't get through. I also don't think the red and green channels will work - not with the EU manning them.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 27, 2023 7:56:02 GMT
The EU has been playing hardball with the NI border from the start and I can't see that they're going to concede any ground on this. Any agreement with the EU is a trap - and we should know this by now. The main question is whether NI has to continue to follow "dynamic alignment" with EU rules. If so the deal won't get through. I also don't think the red and green channels will work - not with the EU manning them. I wish you were right and this was a trap, but from what I've heard so far this sounds like a re-hash of Boris's deal which claimed everything for everybody and was thus doomed to fail. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 27, 2023 8:36:55 GMT
The EU has been playing hardball with the NI border from the start and I can't see that they're going to concede any ground on this. Any agreement with the EU is a trap - and we should know this by now. The main question is whether NI has to continue to follow "dynamic alignment" with EU rules. If so the deal won't get through. I also don't think the red and green channels will work - not with the EU manning them. I wish you were right and this was a trap, but from what I've heard so far this sounds like a re-hash of Boris's deal which claimed everything for everybody and was thus doomed to fail. Nothing more than another attempt at a pr stunt. I saw a bit of osbourne being interviewed the other day , the former chancellor who said basically sunak needs to face down the ERG , johnson and the DUP and do whats in the best interests of the uk , or lose what little credibility he has and become a lame duck prime minister .
Brexiters as we have seen believed the lie the eu will give them all the pros of the single market and none of the cons . I suspect you are spot on , this is merely another rehash that is going to have the hardcore brexiters frothing in a rage.
It will be interesting to see what deal if any has been reached , but i suspect once the dust settles from the media fanfare and the small print is read the knives will be out for sunak.
Rishi Sunak poised to push through Protocol deal – with or without DUP support
Rishi Sunak is poised to announce his post-Brexit deal with the EU, with or without DUP approval, after securing the support of leading Eurosceptics in the Conservative party.
The Prime Minister is set to hold face-to-face talks with European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen in the UK on Monday ahead of signing off on a final agreement to fix the Northern Ireland Protocol.
It is understood that the Prime Minister will argue that the deal with Brussels will boost the Northern Irish economy and improve the lives of people in the country, as well as safeguarding its place in the Union.
Deputy PM Dominic Raab said Mr Sunak was “on the cusp” of a compromise – making clear there was “no de facto veto” for the DUP, which is still expected to oppose the compromise.
“There’s no de facto veto, but of course we want to engage, and persuade, and convince, and demonstrate ... [that] the changes are substantial enough for the DUP,” he told Channel 4’s The Andrew Neil Show. “We’re confident enough in the substance of the changes to feel front-footed about doing so.”
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 27, 2023 8:48:26 GMT
Well, the fact that EU has been drawn back to the negotiating table and has taken onboard legitimate concerns of those concerned; contrary to what remainers have been saying about both the non-negotiation of the Protocol and that
the legitimate concerns of the Protocol for all intents and purposes were made-up and ran with by the British gov. as an act of bad faith - shows again how wrong they were.
Question is, whether this deal is enough for the DUP to resume Stormont. From the sounds of it, it may not but from the sounds of it, it is better than the current arrangement. The ball will be in the DUP's court.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 27, 2023 9:28:06 GMT
Well, the fact that EU has been drawn back to the negotiating table and has taken onboard legitimate concerns of those concerned; contrary to what remainers have been saying about both the non-negotiation of the Protocol and that the legitimate concerns of the Protocol for all intents and purposes were made-up and ran with by the British gov. as an act of bad faith - shows again how wrong they were. Question is, whether this deal is enough for the DUP to resume Stormont. From the sounds of it, it may not but from the sounds of it, it is better than the current arrangement. The ball will be in the DUP's court. Like I stated mate the 'Devil will be in the detail' we all know from past experience the EUSSR are not to be trusted. And as for von-de-liar only a bloody idiot would beleve anything that no hoper had to say.....Lets hope we are not sold out yet again....Why are we getting concessions from the EUSSR about the governance and sovereignty of our own country? Northern Island is a territorial part of the UK. Why do the EUSSR have to allow us to run our own country? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 27, 2023 9:35:33 GMT
I fail to understand why NI , considered part of the UK, does not have the same rules as UK. Switzerland is surrounded by EUSSR countries but they manage to trade with the rest of the EUSSR. NI is no different! Can Rishi FINALLY settle Brexit? Sunak braces for Tory and DUP backlash as he prepares to unveil new 'Windsor Deal' for Northern Ireland TODAY alongside EUSSR's Ursula von der Leyen - claiming he has secured major concessions EUSSR Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is coming to the UK today She is set to shake hands with Rishi Sunak on post-Brexit trading arrangements The meeting over Northern Ireland trade agreements will take place in Windsor www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11797463/RIshi-Sunak-unveiling-Windsor-Deal-Northern-Ireland-Brexit-rules.html |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 27, 2023 10:54:20 GMT
The EU are a one trick pony, once they lose this leverage over NI and Brexit they've lost control of the UK, and they aren't going to give that up easily.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 27, 2023 12:26:32 GMT
The EU are a one trick pony, once they lose this leverage over NI and Brexit they've lost control of the UK, and they aren't going to give that up easily. They are up shit creek mate now that treasure island has left.. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 27, 2023 12:44:59 GMT
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Post by Steve on Feb 27, 2023 13:01:45 GMT
I fail to understand why NI , considered part of the UK, does not have the same rules as UK. Switzerland is surrounded by EUSSR countries but they manage to trade with the rest of the EUSSR. NI is no different! . . . You really think that the NI Eire border than runs through farms and even properties and is protected as free in the GFA is no different than the Swiss -EU one that has checks for goods? Really? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 27, 2023 13:04:50 GMT
I fail to understand why NI , considered part of the UK, does not have the same rules as UK. Switzerland is surrounded by EUSSR countries but they manage to trade with the rest of the EUSSR. NI is no different! . . . You really think that the NI Eire border than runs through farms and even properties and is protected as free in the GFA is no different than the Swiss -EU one that has checks for goods? Really? Yes really.....The UK is fuck all to do with your beloved EUSSR now.....They have enough crap of their own to sort out let alone stuffing their fucking oar in the UK's business. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 27, 2023 13:10:08 GMT
You really think that the NI Eire border than runs through farms and even properties and is protected as free in the GFA is no different than the Swiss -EU one that has checks for goods? Really? Yes really.....The UK is fuck all to do with your beloved EUSSR now.....They have enough crap of their own to sort out let alone stuffing their fucking oar in the UK's business. They can't let go of the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs, without the UK they are fuck all. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 27, 2023 14:00:22 GMT
The EU has been playing hardball with the NI border from the start and I can't see that they're going to concede any ground on this. Any agreement with the EU is a trap - and we should know this by now. The main question is whether NI has to continue to follow "dynamic alignment" with EU rules. If so the deal won't get through. I also don't think the red and green channels will work - not with the EU manning them. I wish you were right and this was a trap, but from what I've heard so far this sounds like a re-hash of Boris's deal which claimed everything for everybody and was thus doomed to fail. If the EU is happy with it then it passes. The EU were not at all happy with Johnson and his lies and understandably so. We were about to be taken to court by the EU. You think our economy is bad now, but had that happened it would be another notch downwards. This is why we just had to get the liar out of office. He was as good for our country as Zelensky is for Ukraine. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 27, 2023 14:05:33 GMT
Sunak isn’t Johnson or Truss.
Let’s wait and see.
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