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Post by Bentley on Mar 1, 2023 16:42:51 GMT
I was the last of the grammar schoolboys in my town. The next year it turned comprehensive . Even I saw the negative effect of mixing the bright with the dull .
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Post by Toreador on Mar 1, 2023 17:17:32 GMT
So we should have built more grammar schools so that Wilson et al could have turned them into comprehensives. Had there been enough grammar schools in the first place and a better way of selecting people for them, perhaps comprehensives would not have been necessary. The Bottom line is that Comps give more people the opportunity to reach a higher education level than the 11+/Grammar schools ever did. Hahaha, the idea of grammar schools was to provide a level of education and training in preparation for entry to higher education like, for instance, university. Universities at that time had an intake of well taught, intelligent people. The Wilson government then introduced comprehensives which had the effect of an overall reduction in educational standards. They could still teach up to O-level standard providing of course they could recruit teachers qualified to that level and without having to wear sandals, jeans, sweaters and be called Fred or whatever their name was, that was what happened in the late sixties. Teacher training colleges were set up to turn out many left leaning indoctrinating morons to the point where many decent people wouldn't even venture. Nowadays you can go to uni with an IQ way below what would have gained entry 70 years ago, You can study police forensics to land a job in an ice cream parlour or a degree that no one had a use for; It hasn't improved. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 1, 2023 18:00:47 GMT
I was the last of the grammar schoolboys in my town. The next year it turned comprehensive . Even I saw the negative effect of mixing the bright with the dull . Yes - I remember when the selective schools turned into Comps - the quality of the State education system draining away before our very eyes. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2023 18:36:51 GMT
Oh man, you're so cliché. Since 2016 remainers have been shouting from the rooftops that only thick racist extreme right wing knuckle draggers voted for Brexit. I have no idea what that has to do with what I posted. You said From my viewpoint this is childishly simplistic. Everyone knows that's the problem, no one knows the solution. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2023 18:41:46 GMT
That was 40 years later, you could have voted for a government in favour of leaving at anytime in that period. Just as you are suggesting we remainers do now.
Oh, and Cameron was not belittled by the EU, they met all his demands with positive suggestions. Meanwhile on planet earth rather than planet nog....Why not just accept the fact that you lost and no amount of the remnant bitching will ever change the fact. Your answer on every thread is the same moronic claim. Try and at least be a bit interesting. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2023 18:43:54 GMT
I'd say grow up but a long time ago I learnt to only hope for what could actually happen Who aprt from you ever cares what you say. Me. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2023 18:47:58 GMT
The ones who didn't make it to grammar school, is that what you mean? Perhaps together with, or so I've heard, the many who failed at grammar school  and the 50% of people thought good enough for a grammar school education but were refused because of the limited grammar school places available? What about those who never went to grammar school but who eventually ended up in good well paid jobs or in successful self created businesses like Richard Branson, self confessed failure in private education who left school with no qualifications (if you can't make it there?) but became a seriously successful businessman. Some interesting comments bellow. www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/13/a-generation-of-children-failed-by-the-11-plus Well said See2. But what you have to understand is all Toreador has is his 11plus. No university degree, no high paid job using a brilliant education. That's why he feels the need to put other people down. Its all he's got. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 1, 2023 18:49:05 GMT
Had there been enough grammar schools in the first place and a better way of selecting people for them, perhaps comprehensives would not have been necessary. The Bottom line is that Comps give more people the opportunity to reach a higher education level than the 11+/Grammar schools ever did. Hahaha, the idea of grammar schools was to provide a level of education and training in preparation for entry to higher education like, for instance, university. Universities at that time had an intake of well taught, intelligent people. The Wilson government then introduced comprehensives which had the effect of an overall reduction in educational standards. They could still teach up to O-level standard providing of course they could recruit teachers qualified to that level and without having to wear sandals, jeans, sweaters and be called Fred or whatever their name was, that was what happened in the late sixties. Teacher training colleges were set up to turn out many left leaning indoctrinating morons to the point where many decent people wouldn't even venture. Nowadays you can go to uni with an IQ way below what would have gained entry 70 years ago, You can study police forensics to land a job in an ice cream parlour or a degree that no one had a use for; It hasn't improved. What university did you go to? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 1, 2023 19:15:25 GMT
Hahaha, the idea of grammar schools was to provide a level of education and training in preparation for entry to higher education like, for instance, university. Universities at that time had an intake of well taught, intelligent people. The Wilson government then introduced comprehensives which had the effect of an overall reduction in educational standards. They could still teach up to O-level standard providing of course they could recruit teachers qualified to that level and without having to wear sandals, jeans, sweaters and be called Fred or whatever their name was, that was what happened in the late sixties. Teacher training colleges were set up to turn out many left leaning indoctrinating morons to the point where many decent people wouldn't even venture. Nowadays you can go to uni with an IQ way below what would have gained entry 70 years ago, You can study police forensics to land a job in an ice cream parlour or a degree that no one had a use for; It hasn't improved. What university did you go to? I went to two, one where I learnt the work ethic, the other the university of life. I passed both with honours and to correct another of your crap assumptions, I've had several well paid jobs, a few very well paid jobs and successful businesses. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2023 19:21:59 GMT
Perhaps together with, or so I've heard, the many who failed at grammar school and the 50% of people thought good enough for a grammar school education but were refused because of the limited grammar school places available? What about those who never went to grammar school but who eventually ended up in good well paid jobs or in successful self created businesses like Richard Branson, self confessed failure in private education who left school with no qualifications (if you can't make it there?) but became a seriously successful businessman. Some interesting comments bellow. www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/13/a-generation-of-children-failed-by-the-11-plus Well said See2. But what you have to understand is all Toreador has is his 11plus. No university degree, no high paid job using a brilliant education. That's why he feels the need to put other people down. Its all he's got. Well yours certainly isn't for mathematics Einstein. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 1, 2023 19:42:04 GMT
I'd say grow up but a long time ago I learnt to only hope for what could actually happen Who aprt from you ever cares what you say. Errm, what's the point in posting on a forum if you are not interested in reading other people's posts? 🤣🤔🙃 |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2023 19:49:30 GMT
Who aprt from you ever cares what you say. Errm, what's the point in posting on a forum if you are not interested in reading other people's posts? 🤣🤔🙃 I am always hopeful the Westminster followers of fashion will actually post something interesting rather than the usual rhetoric. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 1, 2023 20:02:12 GMT
Errm, what's the point in posting on a forum if you are not interested in reading other people's posts? 🤣🤔🙃 I am always hopeful the Westminster followers of fashion will actually post something interesting rather than the usual rhetoric. How long you got? |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2023 20:05:38 GMT
I am always hopeful the Westminster followers of fashion will actually post something interesting rather than the usual rhetoric. How long you got? Well it isn't my full time occupation, but kills a bit of time or otherwise it is mind numbing TV's political meandering trying to be disguised as entertainment. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 1, 2023 20:58:47 GMT
I was the last of the grammar schoolboys in my town. The next year it turned comprehensive . Even I saw the negative effect of mixing the bright with the dull . The mix did not take place in the class rooms. That is one of the basic reasons for a comprehensive school. i.e. to deal with different levels of ability allowing people to move between the levels as required. Just out of curiosity, what in your experience was the level of academic success at the grammar school you went to? |
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and the 50% of people thought good enough for a grammar school education but were refused because of the limited grammar school places available?
