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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 1, 2023 0:36:16 GMT
Has anyone actually seen a written copy of what has been agreed No. Well, nothing that anyone other than a constitutional lawyer could accurately interpret. Which is why the DUP haven't commented yet. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 1, 2023 0:37:57 GMT
Has anyone actually seen a written copy of what has been agreed No. Well, nothing that anyone other than a constitutional lawyer could accurately interpret. Which is why the DUP haven't commented yet. I beleive it is 27 pages long and over 30k of words on those pages of gobbldegook. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 1, 2023 0:42:35 GMT
No. Well, nothing that anyone other than a constitutional lawyer could accurately interpret. Which is why the DUP haven't commented yet. I beleive it is 27 pages long and over 30k of words on those pages of gobbldegook. Indeed, which is why it's taking the ERG and the DUP some time to comment. And once deciphered, it will take more time because I'm sure they will have constitutional objections. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 1, 2023 0:57:58 GMT
Cheers Steve Ok after what was that 30 mins while the database backup checked itself, i see the document makes clear in several areas ‘for those who can prove their products are to remain in Northern Ireland’ Sounds to me like they swapped a set of customs paperworks for a whole different set making promises i’m not sure how we check are kept. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 1, 2023 1:48:13 GMT
Cheers Steve Ok after what was that 30 mins while the database backup checked itself, i see the document makes clear in several areas ‘for those who can prove their products are to remain in Northern Ireland’ Sounds to me like they swapped a set of customs paperworks for a whole different set making promises i’m not sure how we check are kept. Whoa there, it's not cheers Steve, it's bollox Steve. Lets wait and see what the legal experts say. Have you noticed the ERG and DUP have said nothing, yet. I suspect that will not remain the case for long. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 1, 2023 6:48:10 GMT
For many people there is only one issue. Northern Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU. The simpletons The ones who didn't make it to grammar school, is that what you mean? |
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Post by Steve on Mar 1, 2023 9:52:59 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Mar 1, 2023 10:24:51 GMT
For many people there is only one issue. Northern Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU. The simpletons Great debating skills there straight out of the lady Nugee playbook. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 1, 2023 10:45:32 GMT
The ones who didn't make it to grammar school, is that what you mean? Perhaps together with, or so I've heard, the many who failed at grammar school  and the 50% of people thought good enough for a grammar school education but were refused because of the limited grammar school places available? What about those who never went to grammar school but who eventually ended up in good well paid jobs or in successful self created businesses like Richard Branson, self confessed failure in private education who left school with no qualifications (if you can't make it there?) but became a seriously successful businessman. Some interesting comments bellow. www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/13/a-generation-of-children-failed-by-the-11-plus |
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Post by see2 on Mar 1, 2023 11:00:24 GMT
Which isn't why the Irish people changed their vote. __"Basically, the fears that many people had about the Lisbon Treaty were collected, analysed and addressed. Therefore, the Irish government was able to go back to the people and ask them to vote again, with these new legally-binding assurances in mind. Whenever this topic is brought up, Eurosceptics will often try to frame it as though Ireland was forced to vote on the exact same treaty twice. However, this was not the case. We had issues with the Lisbon Treaty and those issues were dealt with. So why wouldn’t we have voted again? Massive swerve, the issue was that lying gobshite Cowen said he would not ask the Irish people to vote again and the later changes should have been in the original script but they thought they'd get away with it. Perhaps that is your issue, but you miss the fact that Ireland -- did not vote for the same treaty twice -- so in that respect your man was right. There had been big changes with guarantees placed before the people to vote on. The second vote was a necessity as the unacceptable conditions that existed in the first vote no longer existed. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 1, 2023 12:01:14 GMT
The ones who didn't make it to grammar school, is that what you mean? Perhaps together with, or so I've heard, the many who failed at grammar school and the 50% of people thought good enough for a grammar school education but were refused because of the limited grammar school places available? What about those who never went to grammar school but who eventually ended up in good well paid jobs or in successful self created businesses like Richard Branson, self confessed failure in private education who left school with no qualifications (if you can't make it there?) but became a seriously successful businessman. Some interesting comments bellow. www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/13/a-generation-of-children-failed-by-the-11-plus In my day those who failed the 11-plus went to secondary modern and if they did well for a couple of years they could take an exam which, if passed, would allow them to go to a technical college; perhaps Liverpool was deprived of such availability. There is no charge for this service. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 1, 2023 12:39:55 GMT
Windsor Framework unlikely to be applied for ‘several months’, warn UK officials. The agreement unveiled by EU and the UK to govern trade between Britain and the island of Ireland is unlikely to come into force for several months, officials have warned. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen presented the Windsor Framework on Monday (27 February) following two years of often bitter negotiations as an opportunity to reset EU-UK relations. At its heart are proposals for ‘green’ and ‘red’ lanes that would end customs checks for goods staying in Northern Ireland and impose bureaucratic requirements on those travelling on to the Republic of Ireland, and a mechanism, known as the ‘Stormont brake’ to give Northern Irish lawmakers a say in whether to accept future EU single market laws. Officials from London and Brussels have talked up the political importance of the deal for future EU-UK cooperation on defence and security, with one remarking that it will “move us away from a situation where we are chucking stones at each other.” www.euractiv.com/section/eu-uk-relations/news/windsor-framework-unlikely-to-be-applied-for-several-months-warn-uk-officials/ |
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Post by see2 on Mar 1, 2023 16:13:23 GMT
Perhaps together with, or so I've heard, the many who failed at grammar school and the 50% of people thought good enough for a grammar school education but were refused because of the limited grammar school places available? What about those who never went to grammar school but who eventually ended up in good well paid jobs or in successful self created businesses like Richard Branson, self confessed failure in private education who left school with no qualifications (if you can't make it there?) but became a seriously successful businessman. Some interesting comments bellow. www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/13/a-generation-of-children-failed-by-the-11-plus In my day those who failed the 11-plus went to secondary modern and if they did well for a couple of years they could take an exam which, if passed, would allow them to go to a technical college; perhaps Liverpool was deprived of such availability. There is no charge for this service. Of course not, but that second chance for some at age 13 came no where near to rescuing the failures surrounding the 11+ system and grammar school education. My daughter had a problem which started with writing letters and numbers back to front, and trying to read from right to left. The problem was pretty much sorted out in her last year at junior school. She started senior school in the remedial class. I can tell you in absolute honesty that she left school with 6 GCSE passes, the most passes achieved by anyone at that school in that year. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 1, 2023 16:16:53 GMT
In my day those who failed the 11-plus went to secondary modern and if they did well for a couple of years they could take an exam which, if passed, would allow them to go to a technical college; perhaps Liverpool was deprived of such availability. There is no charge for this service. Of course not, but that second chance for some at age 13 came no where near to rescuing the failures surrounding the 11+ system and grammar school education. My daughter had a problem which started with writing letters and numbers back to front, and trying to read from right to left. The problem was pretty much sorted out in her last year at junior school. She started senior school in the remedial class. I can tell you in absolute honesty that she left school with 6 GCSE passes, the most passes achieved by anyone at that school in that year. So we should have built more grammar schools so that Wilson et al could have turned them into comprehensives. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 1, 2023 16:34:56 GMT
Of course not, but that second chance for some at age 13 came no where near to rescuing the failures surrounding the 11+ system and grammar school education. My daughter had a problem which started with writing letters and numbers back to front, and trying to read from right to left. The problem was pretty much sorted out in her last year at junior school. She started senior school in the remedial class. I can tell you in absolute honesty that she left school with 6 GCSE passes, the most passes achieved by anyone at that school in that year. So we should have built more grammar schools so that Wilson et al could have turned them into comprehensives. Had there been enough grammar schools in the first place and a better way of selecting people for them, perhaps comprehensives would not have been necessary. The Bottom line is that Comps give more people the opportunity to reach a higher education level than the 11+/Grammar schools ever did. |
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and the 50% of people thought good enough for a grammar school education but were refused because of the limited grammar school places available?