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Post by see2 on Feb 28, 2023 10:55:07 GMT
You did vote for him, so you would have put him in office if you could. I did not vote for him. I do not live in Islington. I voted for the Labour candidate in my constituency, who as it happens was not a so called Corbynista. Besides, you voted for someone whose leader was Boris Johnson, so who is the bigger twat here, eh? Did you vote Labour in the general election where Corbyn was the leader of the Labour party? The 'biggest twat' here is you and your small self indoctrinated political cage that so controls your posts and gets you to spew forth lies against the moderate left. Time for you in your less moderate political position to wake up to the real world. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 28, 2023 10:59:44 GMT
I have already pointed out that there are too many fools and liars attacking New Labour, such mistaken fools and liars do not earn any help from me. I'd sooner point out the stupidity of theirs and your, false attacks on NL. That you seem unable to grasp that your question is nothing more than an attempted escape route out of the mess you have created for yourself, only lessens your credibility. As you failed to address my post, I'll take it that you agreed with it. So much for your impartiality and supposedly broader perspective. Who are you trying to kid? And if you want to imagine I agreed with you, fill your boots. I will say that if I agree with someone I tend to say so. If I do not respond to something it is generally because either I don't see it as worthy of a response or I am choosing to respond to another point instead. The fact that you have to make up lies in attempting to justify your deviation proves you are being both dishonest and devious. |
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Post by ratcliff on Feb 28, 2023 11:15:28 GMT
What are you talking about? Are you saying the Nordic countries are not progressive? lol You seem to be confused between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism. Starmer has no convictions, he backed a bat shit crazy Democratic Socialist manifesto under Corbyn and now is pretending he is "soft left". He was one of remoaners in chief that cost Labour the last election with his anti-Brexit antics and now he has accepted the result lol. Also, anybody not in a union right now is a fucking idiot, because everything that was fought for is now being lost again. The Nordic countries do not have to deal with the UK electorate or the UK media. Under Corbyn, Starmer's interest was to beat the Tories, he would still have been working to encourage the Labour MPs towards a more moderate position, and maybe even hoping to be in control of the party at some stage. 'Moderate Left' is how I see Starmer, able to look at the much wider needs of the country than being controlled by any firm left or right of politics. My political interests lay with a social minded capitalist government. A gradual improvement to society not a political revolution. It is not up to Starmer to fight Union battles. No shit Sherlock Like all independent states ,they principally deal with their own electorate and media Under Corbyn, Starmer's interest was to beat the Tories, he would still have been working to encourage the Labour MPs towards a more moderate position, and maybe even hoping to be in control of the party at some stage.
For someone who laughably claims to be wholly objective and entirely fact based (and derides every view that disagrees with theirs) there's nothing but conditional opinions, speculation and made up ''facts'' in this post |
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Post by see2 on Feb 28, 2023 11:44:00 GMT
The Nordic countries do not have to deal with the UK electorate or the UK media. Under Corbyn, Starmer's interest was to beat the Tories, he would still have been working to encourage the Labour MPs towards a more moderate position, and maybe even hoping to be in control of the party at some stage. 'Moderate Left' is how I see Starmer, able to look at the much wider needs of the country than being controlled by any firm left or right of politics. My political interests lay with a social minded capitalist government. A gradual improvement to society not a political revolution. It is not up to Starmer to fight Union battles. No shit Sherlock Like all independent states ,they principally deal with their own electorate and media Under Corbyn, Starmer's interest was to beat the Tories, he would still have been working to encourage the Labour MPs towards a more moderate position, and maybe even hoping to be in control of the party at some stage.
For someone who laughably claims to be wholly objective and entirely fact based (and derides every view that disagrees with theirs) there's nothing but conditional opinions, speculation and made up ''facts'' in this post 1. That is what I inferred. 2. I offered what could only be seen as an opinion based upon the fact that AFAIA Starmer has always been Moderate Labour even under a les moderate leadership. (EXAMPLE. Just as John Prescott was always a leftie in New Labour's moderate party.) 3. Why are you making up lies about me? It makes your post appear to be so stupid. |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 28, 2023 13:36:43 GMT
What are you talking about? Are you saying the Nordic countries are not progressive? lol You seem to be confused between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism. Starmer has no convictions, he backed a bat shit crazy Democratic Socialist manifesto under Corbyn and now is pretending he is "soft left". He was one of remoaners in chief that cost Labour the last election with his anti-Brexit antics and now he has accepted the result lol. Also, anybody not in a union right now is a fucking idiot, because everything that was fought for is now being lost again. The Nordic countries do not have to deal with the UK electorate or the UK media. Under Corbyn, Starmer's interest was to beat the Tories, he would still have been working to encourage the Labour MPs towards a more moderate position, and maybe even hoping to be in control of the party at some stage. 'Moderate Left' is how I see Starmer, able to look at the much wider needs of the country than being controlled by any firm left or right of politics. My political interests lay with a social minded capitalist government. A gradual improvement to society not a political revolution. It is not up to Starmer to fight Union battles. Hmmm Starmer was one of the main reasons Corbyn lost because he was the one championing a 2nd vote lol. Corbyn was massively anti-EU, it was the muppets like Starmer and Thornberry that forced him to adopt his "on the fence" position! You want a "social minded capitalist government" yet you are arguing with me because I want a proper Social Democrat in charge of Labour??? Social Democrats are not revolutionary, that is the Democratic Socialists (ie Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott etc). Let's be clear Labour are in front in the polls despite Starmer, not because of him. The grassroots don't like, the unions don't like him, and sure as shit the members he lied to, to get their vote, don't like him either! |
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Post by totheleft3 on Feb 28, 2023 15:14:31 GMT
The Nordic countries do not have to deal with the UK electorate or the UK media. Under Corbyn, Starmer's interest was to beat the Tories, he would still have been working to encourage the Labour MPs towards a more moderate position, and maybe even hoping to be in control of the party at some stage. 'Moderate Left' is how I see Starmer, able to look at the much wider needs of the country than being controlled by any firm left or right of politics. My political interests lay with a social minded capitalist government. A gradual improvement to society not a political revolution. It is not up to Starmer to fight Union battles. Hmmm Starmer was one of the main reasons Corbyn lost because he was the one championing a 2nd vote lol. Corbyn was massively anti-EU, it was the muppets like Starmer and Thornberry that forced him to adopt his "on the fence" position! You want a "social minded capitalist government" yet you are arguing with me because I want a proper Social Democrat in charge of Labour? Social Democrats are not revolutionary, that is the Democratic Socialists (ie Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott etc). Let's be clear Labour are in front in the polls despite Starmer, not because of him. The grassroots don't like, the unions don't like him, and sure as shit the members he lied to, to get their vote, don't like him either! The eletorate seem to like Stamaner thats all that matters |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 28, 2023 15:23:33 GMT
Hmmm Starmer was one of the main reasons Corbyn lost because he was the one championing a 2nd vote lol. Corbyn was massively anti-EU, it was the muppets like Starmer and Thornberry that forced him to adopt his "on the fence" position! You want a "social minded capitalist government" yet you are arguing with me because I want a proper Social Democrat in charge of Labour? Social Democrats are not revolutionary, that is the Democratic Socialists (ie Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott etc). Let's be clear Labour are in front in the polls despite Starmer, not because of him. The grassroots don't like, the unions don't like him, and sure as shit the members he lied to, to get their vote, don't like him either! thats all that matters Best comedy post to date... |
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Post by totheleft3 on Feb 28, 2023 15:54:47 GMT
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 28, 2023 16:03:00 GMT
Who cares what a anti-Brexit sour grapes remoaner like James O'Brien thinks, he's a big crybaby. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 28, 2023 16:32:33 GMT
The Nordic countries do not have to deal with the UK electorate or the UK media. Under Corbyn, Starmer's interest was to beat the Tories, he would still have been working to encourage the Labour MPs towards a more moderate position, and maybe even hoping to be in control of the party at some stage. 'Moderate Left' is how I see Starmer, able to look at the much wider needs of the country than being controlled by any firm left or right of politics. My political interests lay with a social minded capitalist government. A gradual improvement to society not a political revolution. It is not up to Starmer to fight Union battles. Hmmm Starmer was one of the main reasons Corbyn lost because he was the one championing a 2nd vote lol. Corbyn was massively anti-EU, it was the muppets like Starmer and Thornberry that forced him to adopt his "on the fence" position! You want a "social minded capitalist government" yet you are arguing with me because I want a proper Social Democrat in charge of Labour? Social Democrats are not revolutionary, that is the Democratic Socialists (ie Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott etc). Let's be clear Labour are in front in the polls despite Starmer, not because of him. The grassroots don't like, the unions don't like him, and sure as shit the members he lied to, to get their vote, don't like him either! 1. Regardless of the nonsense you surround your comment with, thanks for proving my point that Starmer and Corbyn were not on the same page. 2. You are in favour of a Socialist System, I am in favour of Social Minded Capitalism. 3. A/ Your first comment is your opinion. B/ The less moderate in the party are the ones with the history of keeping the Tories in office. C/ those who remain in the Party are clearly ready to give him a chance, so you can't speak for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 20:10:59 GMT
I did not vote for him. I do not live in Islington. I voted for the Labour candidate in my constituency, who as it happens was not a so called Corbynista. Besides, you voted for someone whose leader was Boris Johnson, so who is the bigger twat here, eh? Did you vote Labour in the general election where Corbyn was the leader of the Labour party? The 'biggest twat' here is you and your small self indoctrinated political cage that so controls your posts and gets you to spew forth lies against the moderate left. Time for you in your less moderate political position to wake up to the real world. And you voted for a party whose leader was Boris Johnson. And at least I can fairly weigh up the pros and cons of things, giving credit or criticism where I believe it is due. When it comes to New Labour you are more like an adoring cult follower. And you are so moderate left that you voted Tory last time, lol. As ever you abuse the word moderate. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 20:12:15 GMT
In other words you are incapable of recognising any flaws or faults whatsoever. So much for your impartiality and supposedly broader perspective. Who are you trying to kid? And if you want to imagine I agreed with you, fill your boots. I will say that if I agree with someone I tend to say so. If I do not respond to something it is generally because either I don't see it as worthy of a response or I am choosing to respond to another point instead. The fact that you have to make up lies in attempting to justify your deviation proves you are being both dishonest and devious. But you have not been able to name any New Labour flaws or faults, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 21:36:55 GMT
The Nordic countries do not have to deal with the UK electorate or the UK media.No shit Sherlock Like all independent states ,they principally deal with their own electorate and media Under Corbyn, Starmer's interest was to beat the Tories, he would still have been working to encourage the Labour MPs towards a more moderate position, and maybe even hoping to be in control of the party at some stage.
For someone who laughably claims to be wholly objective and entirely fact based (and derides every view that disagrees with theirs) there's nothing but conditional opinions, speculation and made up ''facts'' in this post 1. That is what I inferred. 2. I offered what could only be seen as an opinion based upon the fact that AFAIA Starmer has always been Moderate Labour even under a les moderate leadership. (EXAMPLE. Just as John Prescott was always a leftie in New Labour's moderate party.) 3. Why are you making up lies about me? It makes your post appear to be so stupid. When people tell the truth about you you accuse them of making up lies. You have utterly lost all credibility on this forum now. And you're getting boringly repetitive. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 1, 2023 7:27:31 GMT
Hmmm Starmer was one of the main reasons Corbyn lost because he was the one championing a 2nd vote lol. Corbyn was massively anti-EU, it was the muppets like Starmer and Thornberry that forced him to adopt his "on the fence" position! You want a "social minded capitalist government" yet you are arguing with me because I want a proper Social Democrat in charge of Labour? Social Democrats are not revolutionary, that is the Democratic Socialists (ie Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott etc). Let's be clear Labour are in front in the polls despite Starmer, not because of him. The grassroots don't like, the unions don't like him, and sure as shit the members he lied to, to get their vote, don't like him either! The eletorate seem to like Stamaner thats all that matters Twisted logic, 70% certainly do not. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 1, 2023 11:37:41 GMT
The fact that you have to make up lies in attempting to justify your deviation proves you are being both dishonest and devious. But you have not been able to name any New Labour flaws or faults, lol. Liar lol. I am quite able to do such, in fact I have very recently acknowledged one failure by NL. I just choose not to play your game. I have not indulged in the lies and the insinuations that you and some others indulge in, and to my satisfaction that really pisses you off  |
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