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Post by Vinny on Oct 17, 2022 15:31:23 GMT
We're not involved.
Any fuck ups are ours and any successes are ours.
What we should be discussing is getting our own house in order.
And right now our politicians are clearly shit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 18:51:48 GMT
We're not involved. Any fuck ups are ours and any successes are ours. What we should be discussing is getting our own house in order. And right now our politicians are clearly shit. What about France's lack of cooperation on migration? They aren't doing the right thing so what they are doing is having an effect on us.
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Post by colbops on Oct 17, 2022 18:55:32 GMT
We're not involved. Any fuck ups are ours and any successes are ours. What we should be discussing is getting our own house in order. And right now our politicians are clearly shit. What about France's lack of cooperation on migration? They aren't doing the right thing so what they are doing is having an effect on us.
Only because the UK is letting it. The UKs approach do dealing with the situation shouldn't be relying on France to do the right thing. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 17, 2022 21:00:57 GMT
We're not involved. Any fuck ups are ours and any successes are ours. What we should be discussing is getting our own house in order. And right now our politicians are clearly shit. What about France's lack of cooperation on migration? They aren't doing the right thing so what they are doing is having an effect on us.
France is not the be all and end all of the EU it is just a member state. They're not doing what they should, but that's Macron's government. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2022 21:19:06 GMT
I was listening to the Labour mouthpiece LBC this afternoon. They were of course cock-a-hoop at the imminent demise of the useless Liz Truss but even the Labour spokesperson dismissed any suggestion of Brexit being relevant to our current situation. Brexit's old news and it would seem that even thicky Labour is over it now.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 18, 2022 12:07:47 GMT
What about France's lack of cooperation on migration? They aren't doing the right thing so what they are doing is having an effect on us.
Only because the UK is letting it. The UKs approach do dealing with the situation shouldn't be relying on France to do the right thing. What do you suggest then. Send a couple of tanks at the front of the ferry ? I admit it sort of worked in 1944 The thing is those travel chaos moments were fuck all to do with Brexit. The remain lobby were jumping for joy at the sight of the queues but no one was stating the bleeding obvious, which is that France, or rather French dock, ferry, rail and air traffic control workers have for over a century gone out of their way to fuck with not just the British but everyone else they can to further their demands for more money or less work and the best time to do that IS the start of a major holiday Britain is somewhat more susceptible because of the asinine stupidly of its penny pinchers to use the cheapest route to their fun. I personally very quickly found when I relied on crossing the channel that alternative sailings mainly by DFDS Seaways that went to ports other than Calais were slightly more expensive (who cares, my clients were paying), slightly longer or very much longer involving overnight travel. To the first I quickly found the extra 30 to 60 minutes allowed me a leisurely meal served on real plates eaten with real knives and forks, and the longer sailing meant an overnight cabin and an early start But no. The remoaner faction conveniently forget decades of French industrial action designed to fuck with the Brit that started long before we joined the EEC given the trouble dad had getting to sort shit out at the height of the bloody Cold War, and choose instead to blame it all on their favourite target. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 12:57:49 GMT
We're not involved. Any fuck ups are ours and any successes are ours. What we should be discussing is getting our own house in order. And right now our politicians are clearly shit. What about France's lack of cooperation on migration? They aren't doing the right thing so what they are doing is having an effect on us.
France agreed to place the UK border, effectively, on the French side of the channel -- way before Brexit. They have taken in more asylum seekers than the UK. French forces say that they have managed to stop 65% of recent border crossings. Sure, they get paid for patrolling their own coastline for asylum seekers wishing to reach the UK, but they don't have to do it. What's stopping them from redirecting asylum seekers to the coast and let them all get on dinghies and small boats and cross the channel to the UK? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 18, 2022 13:30:08 GMT
What about France's lack of cooperation on migration? They aren't doing the right thing so what they are doing is having an effect on us.
France agreed to place the UK border, effectively, on the French side of the channel -- way before Brexit. They have taken in more asylum seekers than the UK. French forces say that they have managed to stop 65% of recent border crossings. Sure, they get paid for patrolling their own coastline for asylum seekers wishing to reach the UK, but they don't have to do it. What's stopping them from redirecting asylum seekers to the coast and let them all get on dinghies and small boats and cross the channel to the UK? Well you say France agreed to put the UK border on tbe French side of the channel long before Brexit but I would therefore ask you what the fuck were FRENCH policemen doing standing in DOVER guiding our car onto the sealink ferry the last time I used dover If as you say the English border was in French soul the queue should have ended at a checkpoint in France, with a massive queue of ferries waiting to unload the next lot of victims If you refer to the border travelling INTO the UK FROM France, maybe. I recall being abandoned by the French in the port of Calais too. That’s why I try not to travel to France at all and if I must, then I enter at Dunkerque. Or better still go to Ostend and invade France from De Panne …. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 13:49:46 GMT
France agreed to place the UK border, effectively, on the French side of the channel -- way before Brexit. They have taken in more asylum seekers than the UK. French forces say that they have managed to stop 65% of recent border crossings. Sure, they get paid for patrolling their own coastline for asylum seekers wishing to reach the UK, but they don't have to do it. What's stopping them from redirecting asylum seekers to the coast and let them all get on dinghies and small boats and cross the channel to the UK? Well you say France agreed to put the UK border on tbe French side of the channel long before Brexit but I would therefore ask you what the fuck were FRENCH policemen doing standing in DOVER guiding our car onto the sealink ferry the last time I used dover If as you say the English border was in French soul the queue should have ended at a checkpoint in France, with a massive queue of ferries waiting to unload the next lot of victims If you refer to the border travelling INTO the UK FROM France, maybe. I recall being abandoned by the French in the port of Calais too. That’s why I try not to travel to France at all and if I must, then I enter at Dunkerque. Or better still go to Ostend and invade France from De Panne …. I was referring to the issue raised about France's supposed lack of cooperation on migration. By migration, I assumed, it meant asylum seekers trying to migrate to the UK, playing hide and seek with French patrol and border officers all along the French coast. That time you were travelling to France, you were not migrating to or seeking asylum in the French republic, were you? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 18, 2022 16:23:49 GMT
Well you say France agreed to put the UK border on tbe French side of the channel long before Brexit but I would therefore ask you what the fuck were FRENCH policemen doing standing in DOVER guiding our car onto the sealink ferry the last time I used dover If as you say the English border was in French soul the queue should have ended at a checkpoint in France, with a massive queue of ferries waiting to unload the next lot of victims If you refer to the border travelling INTO the UK FROM France, maybe. I recall being abandoned by the French in the port of Calais too. That’s why I try not to travel to France at all and if I must, then I enter at Dunkerque. Or better still go to Ostend and invade France from De Panne …. I was referring to the issue raised about France's supposed lack of cooperation on migration. By migration, I assumed, it meant asylum seekers trying to migrate to the UK, playing hide and seek with French patrol and border officers all along the French coast. That time you were travelling to France, you were not migrating to or seeking asylum in the French republic, were you? No I was in fact going to rescue their satellite system which otherwise would have denied them the pleasure of the Eurovision Song Contest. And certain porn channels too. I think they were more concerned with not having the lattter TBH The journey was famous for my confrontation with a customs man On driving up I was pulled over and the car scanned meticulously for all sorts. I realised about half way through what they were looking for and quietly showed the bloke with the most gold braid my authorisation to work at the Royal Ordnance Factory. He scowled a bit muttered something about “why didn’t you show us this when we first approached you” and called his attack figs off. The last to leave was a proper Customs and Excise bloke. He apologised for the screwup and then remarked that I had failed to put anything in my Vauxhall Estate Tourer’s vast and cavernous boot I assured him I would rectify that on my return with a detour to “Cite Europe”. Decent booze at French prices On the way back who should be manning the Customs post but the same chap He pulled me over and asked if the contents of my boot, now carrying a metric tonne of at least 11% was ‘for personal consumption”. “Absolutely” I said. “That’s about a years worth, but feel free to demand a liver biopsy thereafter” And they say customs men have no sense of humour |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 17:27:01 GMT
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/14/markets-take-back-control-brexit-humiliation-britain-suezI was referring to the issue raised about France's supposed lack of cooperation on migration. By migration, I assumed, it meant asylum seekers trying to migrate to the UK, playing hide and seek with French patrol and border officers all along the French coast. That time you were travelling to France, you were not migrating to or seeking asylum in the French republic, were you? No I was in fact going to rescue their satellite system which otherwise would have denied them the pleasure of the Eurovision Song Contest. And certain porn channels too. I think they were more concerned with not having the lattter TBH The journey was famous for my confrontation with a customs man On driving up I was pulled over and the car scanned meticulously for all sorts. I realised about half way through what they were looking for and quietly showed the bloke with the most gold braid my authorisation to work at the Royal Ordnance Factory. He scowled a bit muttered something about “why didn’t you show us this when we first approached you” and called his attack figs off. The last to leave was a proper Customs and Excise bloke. He apologised for the screwup and then remarked that I had failed to put anything in my Vauxhall Estate Tourer’s vast and cavernous boot I assured him I would rectify that on my return with a detour to “Cite Europe”. Decent booze at French prices On the way back who should be manning the Customs post but the same chap He pulled me over and asked if the contents of my boot, now carrying a metric tonne of at least 11% was ‘for personal consumption”. “Absolutely” I said. “That’s about a years worth, but feel free to demand a liver biopsy thereafter” And they say customs men have no sense of humour So. Your original rant is all about customs checks. And this amusing story is the same. Nothing to do with migration and asylum at all -- or this silly claim about France's supposed lack of cooperation on migration. The moral of your story is that the UK should have joined the SM and the CU. BTW, the gold-plated customs man was right -- why did you not show your authorisation letter or card in the first instance? It would have saved you all the hassle and the huffing and puffing. You weren't looking for a confrontation, were you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 18:32:24 GMT
What about France's lack of cooperation on migration? They aren't doing the right thing so what they are doing is having an effect on us.
France agreed to place the UK border, effectively, on the French side of the channel -- way before Brexit. They have taken in more asylum seekers than the UK. French forces say that they have managed to stop 65% of recent border crossings. Sure, they get paid for patrolling their own coastline for asylum seekers wishing to reach the UK, but they don't have to do it. What's stopping them from redirecting asylum seekers to the coast and let them all get on dinghies and small boats and cross the channel to the UK? You should try Human Rights Watch and tell them they're wrong to point out that France regularly breaks international law.
They do try to deter and re-route asylum seekers to the UK anyway, which is both inhumane and wrong at the same time. And ineffective for both of us. The way they have gone about it has received scathing criticism from both left and right - and rightly so. The pro-EU fanatics who constantly lavish praise on the French for what they did here have gotten it wrong.
Ditto for the fanatical anti-migrant Daily Express readers who think everything can be solved with Priti Patel and now Suella Braverman's utterly childlike (in its naivete) 'Rwanda' plan and plans to turn back migrants at sea.
This government are out of touch with reality in every sense just like their Daily Express reading contingents who think Boris would make a good PM. Again. You couldn't make it up, ditto those praising Macron for everything he's doing as France goes through absolute abysmal suffering.
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Post by colbops on Oct 18, 2022 18:33:47 GMT
Only because the UK is letting it. The UKs approach do dealing with the situation shouldn't be relying on France to do the right thing. What do you suggest then. Send a couple of tanks at the front of the ferry ? I admit it sort of worked in 1944 The thing is those travel chaos moments were fuck all to do with Brexit. The remain lobby were jumping for joy at the sight of the queues but no one was stating the bleeding obvious, which is that France, or rather French dock, ferry, rail and air traffic control workers have for over a century gone out of their way to fuck with not just the British but everyone else they can to further their demands for more money or less work and the best time to do that IS the start of a major holiday Britain is somewhat more susceptible because of the asinine stupidly of its penny pinchers to use the cheapest route to their fun. I personally very quickly found when I relied on crossing the channel that alternative sailings mainly by DFDS Seaways that went to ports other than Calais were slightly more expensive (who cares, my clients were paying), slightly longer or very much longer involving overnight travel. To the first I quickly found the extra 30 to 60 minutes allowed me a leisurely meal served on real plates eaten with real knives and forks, and the longer sailing meant an overnight cabin and an early start But no. The remoaner faction conveniently forget decades of French industrial action designed to fuck with the Brit that started long before we joined the EEC given the trouble dad had getting to sort shit out at the height of the bloody Cold War, and choose instead to blame it all on their favourite target. It doesn't require a suggestion from me to validate the soundness of the principle that the UKs immigration policy, including the UKs approach to dealing with legal and illegal migration and asylum seekers, shouldn't be reliant / dependent on the goodwill of other nations. I would imagine policy makers and civil servants in possession of more facts than I could ever have should be able to understand all the potential levers that could be pulled, and pull them in a sensible order to try to resolve the situation before going straight to the nuclear option of declaring that France is a failed state because it is unable to control its boarders, that this has an untenable knock on effect on the UK, and therefore the UK has no choice but to invade France in order to secure its boarders on their behalf. One would assume that the first order of business would be the UN. Approach them and enter into talks about withdrawing from treaties and conventions relating to the treatment and processing of migrants, refugees, and asylum seekers on the basis that the current system doesn't work owing to our neighbours being unable to control their borders. In tandem, it would seem to make sense to draw up a new UK policy on asylum seekers, refugees and migrants. Something along the lines of the UK will only entertain applications from migrants who put in their applications from their countries of origin, and that do not attempt to enter the UK before that application has been processed and accepted. The policy would also state that the UK would only entertain admitting refugees and asylum seekers if those claiming the same are nationals of surrounding countries and able to prove it at point of entry - Specifically people from Ireland, Spain, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark (inc Faroe Islands) and Norway. Furthermore, asylum claims would only be accepted from nationals of these countries where the UK government has changed their status from Safe countries to Unsafe Countries, committing to a list being published and kept up to date on gov.uk. Finally the policy would state that anyone entering the country claiming refugee or asylum status will be summarily reviewed, and if they are unable to provide evidence of nationality, and that nation is not om the list and classified as unsafe, they will be immediately deported to the country that they are suspected of travelling from. Then should the UN talks fail to stop all migrant ingress into the UK from our 'Friends' on the continent within 1 month, the UK follows through by withdrawing from the relevant treaties and enacts the policy. See what I mean, say what you are gonna do and then escalate. I'm sure there are other levers between the British Navy facing off with the French navy as they escort transport ships back to French beaches. No doubt there are even more levers between a naval 'conversation' and the UK annexing the Cherbourg peninsula to provide a safe dropoff point for the Army to then escort the wayward travellers to the new Anglo-French border at Periers |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 18, 2022 18:37:13 GMT
We could send military boats with drones a mile off the French coast to intercept and tow boats back to France.
I suspect the French would complain.
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Post by colbops on Oct 18, 2022 18:40:59 GMT
We could send military boats with drones a mile off the French coast to intercept and tow boats back to France. I suspect the French would complain. Let them complain. Relying on them to do the right thing for the UK is never going to work. Don't be taken in by all the soft soap. The French have been our enemies for most of the past 900 years. |
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