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Post by thomas on Feb 24, 2023 16:09:30 GMT
Fake graphic includes Russian federation which definitely does have shortages of out of season fruit. Sanctions are crippling Russia. Try again liar. Norway and Iceland are in the arctic, not big producers of tomatoes. Sweden which is in the EU is too far north same with Finland. Fake graphic. so who else has shortages comparable to the uk in europe vinny? |
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Post by thomas on Feb 24, 2023 16:13:53 GMT
So do i. Are you suggesting if the scottish people vote to repeal the treaty of union with england the anti democratic uk will do the same? Mind that happened in Ireland 100 years ago at the height of the british empire. Tell me bancroft how did that work out for you? No I don't think the UK would act that way yet do not know how they would react. I think SNP / Independence move need to get a date for a recognised referendum from the UK Supreme Court and if they refuse this or it is too far in the future then to escalate internationally. The uk supreme court is not the highest court in scotland , the highest court is the court of session in edinburgh. English law doesnt apply in scotland.
Its nothing to do with your country, if the scottish people wish to end the treaty of union , they will. No english court or politician will stop it . All this is just now is phoney war noise.
Your country has already said unsurprisingly it wont recognise any sort of referendum or vote , so scotland needs to carry on now and ignore the anti democrats in your country. You have no vote , no say , and outside of posts on silly internet forums , your opinion is largely irrelevant.
A bit like the french or germans on brexit for example.
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Post by om15 on Feb 24, 2023 17:21:41 GMT
Doesn't sound as though they want to at the moment, that seems to be your problem, it is nothing to do with the English, it is purely a Scottish decision, all you have to do is get around to making it. You have just made about four posts on the trot, where are all the other Separatists? you seem to be rather a lone voice, have the others given up?
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Post by bancroft on Feb 24, 2023 18:10:37 GMT
No I don't think the UK would act that way yet do not know how they would react. I think SNP / Independence move need to get a date for a recognised referendum from the UK Supreme Court and if they refuse this or it is too far in the future then to escalate internationally. The uk supreme court is not the highest court in scotland , the highest court is the court of session in edinburgh. English law doesnt apply in scotland.
Its nothing to do with your country, if the scottish people wish to end the treaty of union , they will. No english court or politician will stop it . All this is just now is phoney war noise.
Your country has already said unsurprisingly it wont recognise any sort of referendum or vote , so scotland needs to carry on now and ignore the anti democrats in your country. You have no vote , no say , and outside of posts on silly internet forums , your opinion is largely irrelevant.
A bit like the french or germans on brexit for example.
So why did Sturgeon apply to Westminster to have another referendum and then get refused, was she badly advised? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 25, 2023 15:09:25 GMT
As Westminster is legally the only entity that can authorise Scottish Independence I can't see how that is a sensible statement, unless you go UDI and you don't have the bottle to do that. The only people who can legally authorise scottish indy is of course the scottish people. The sovereignty of the english parliament at westmsinter is an english consitutional principle that has no counter part in scottish law.
I repeat , the vast majority of countries around the world were told by westmsinter they wouldnt legally be allowed to leave their empire until reality stared them in the face. When enough scots want westmisnter out , the party will be over.
Meanwhile we just have to listen to englands brightest like you and vinny on forums such as this talking about the return of empire and sid james waffling on up the khyber pass. I am liking ash regans no nonsense approach.
English, Welsh and Asian people also live in Scotland, plus other international ex pats with British citizenship, and they can vote too. You lost Thomas, get over it and don't compound your mess. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 25, 2023 15:10:36 GMT
Fake graphic includes Russian federation which definitely does have shortages of out of season fruit. Sanctions are crippling Russia. Try again liar. Norway and Iceland are in the arctic, not big producers of tomatoes. Sweden which is in the EU is too far north same with Finland. Fake graphic. so who else has shortages comparable to the uk in europe vinny? Sweden, Germany, Ireland, Lithuania, Poland, Denmark, Iceland, Norway.... |
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Post by thomas on Feb 26, 2023 8:51:48 GMT
Doesn't sound as though they want to at the moment, that seems to be your problem, it is nothing to do with the English, it is purely a Scottish decision, all you have to do is get around to making it. You have just made about four posts on the trot, where are all the other Separatists? you seem to be rather a lone voice, have the others given up? It seems to be a constant circular argument with people of your perusasion om. We are told one minute england wont allow scotland its independence .We then put forward the facts. Those facts are ignored then its on to the next piece of piss.....scotland doesnt want independence and on and on. 
All the while people like you and vinny sweat laboriously on scottish threads telling us what we can and cant do , or what we want and dont want , you are also telling us no one in england gives a shit about scotland but spend much of your time on scottish threads proving the opposite. What is it about your country that it cant stand on its own two feet , proudly under the english flag instead of hiding behind britain , without the scottish holding your hand?
Agreed. Hopefully now sturgeon has gone , we will get that chance. All those wasted years under that woman , and her divisive legacy. Of course if humza useless gets elected as first minister , its lights out time as far as i can see.
Well how the feck do i know where all my fellow european unionists are? Do you think we are all sitting in a secret bunker by the banks of loch lomond ? Moray pops in from time to time , and im sure jaydee is taking a much needed break sunning himself in the canary islands . It cant be much fun for him now on this forum rag dolling you and vinny about on a daily basis.
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Post by thomas on Feb 26, 2023 8:55:46 GMT
The uk supreme court is not the highest court in scotland , the highest court is the court of session in edinburgh. English law doesnt apply in scotland.
Its nothing to do with your country, if the scottish people wish to end the treaty of union , they will. No english court or politician will stop it . All this is just now is phoney war noise.
Your country has already said unsurprisingly it wont recognise any sort of referendum or vote , so scotland needs to carry on now and ignore the anti democrats in your country. You have no vote , no say , and outside of posts on silly internet forums , your opinion is largely irrelevant.
A bit like the french or germans on brexit for example.
So why did Sturgeon apply to Westminster to have another referendum and then get refused, was she badly advised? Thats something you wil have to ask her. Salmond and many many others repeatedly said she was in the wrong.
There hasnt been a country in history that has taken any notice of an english court telling it that it couldnt leave the empire.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 26, 2023 8:57:10 GMT
Scotland doesn't want it, cultist.
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Post by thomas on Feb 26, 2023 8:57:47 GMT
The only people who can legally authorise scottish indy is of course the scottish people. The sovereignty of the english parliament at westmsinter is an english consitutional principle that has no counter part in scottish law.
I repeat , the vast majority of countries around the world were told by westmsinter they wouldnt legally be allowed to leave their empire until reality stared them in the face. When enough scots want westmisnter out , the party will be over.
Meanwhile we just have to listen to englands brightest like you and vinny on forums such as this talking about the return of empire and sid james waffling on up the khyber pass. I am liking ash regans no nonsense approach.
English, Welsh and Asian people also live in Scotland, plus other international ex pats with British citizenship, and they can vote too. You lost Thomas, get over it and don't compound your mess. ?
Im sure you are trying to make a point vinny , but im non the wiser what it is?
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Post by thomas on Feb 26, 2023 8:58:05 GMT
so who else has shortages comparable to the uk in europe vinny? Sweden, Germany, Ireland, Lithuania, Poland, Denmark, Iceland, Norway.... link please? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 26, 2023 9:04:56 GMT
Use Google I'm on my phone right now. You'll be surprised. Netherlands are not producing as the cost of heating greenhouses has gone up, same in Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Ireland, and lots of other places, but facts that do not suit your delusional views get ignored by twitter cultists. And crops failed in Spain and Morocco (the latter of which is NOT in the EU btw) resulting in shortages. Your position is bigoted, change it. www.freshplaza.com/europe/article/9506495/sweden-sees-elevated-fruit-and-veg-prices-due-to-spain-italy-shortages/Even on my phone I found this. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 26, 2023 9:19:28 GMT
Use Google I'm on my phone right now. You'll be surprised. Netherlands are not producing as the cost of heating greenhouses has gone up, same in Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Ireland, and lots of other places, but facts that do not suit your delusional views get ignored by twitter cultists. And crops failed in Spain and Morocco (the latter of which is NOT in the EU btw) resulting in shortages. Your position is bigoted, change it. www.freshplaza.com/europe/article/9506495/sweden-sees-elevated-fruit-and-veg-prices-due-to-spain-italy-shortages/Even on my phone I found this. ive been looking , and there is nothing in europe comparable to whats happening in the yookay. They are even taking the piss saying war torn ukraine has more fresh tomatoes than brexit yookay.
All the major european newpapers are reporting it as a brexit uk specific problem.
Heres yet another reasonably balanced article on the subject...
Europeans mock UK shoppers over tomato shortage - but is Brexit to blame?
While Britain is suffering a fresh produce shortage, Europe appears to be groaning under the weight of tomatoes - according to social media users.
People on the continent gleefully posted pictures of boxes bursting with tomatoes on Twitter amid rationing of some salad items at the UK's biggest supermarkets.
Even people in war-torn Ukraine do not appear to have a shortage of salad items.
"My local supermarket in France must get its tomatoes from parts of Spain & Morocco which aren’t affected by the bad weather that is causing shortages in Britain. There were more varieties in the organic food section, but other shoppers already thought I was mad for photographing these!" wrote one Twitter user.
Brexit has been blamed for the fruit and vegetable shortages, although logistics and increased red tape do not tell the whole story, say experts.
Despite these problems, the wider EU is not facing any shortages, Ksenija Simovic senior policy advisor at the United Voice of Farmers and Agri-cooperatives in the EU, told ITV News.
This has led to a squeeze in supply in Europe but rather than facing any shortages it has led to fewer external exports and higher prices.
Ms Simovic said: "Things tend to be managed easier within the Single Market."
When asked if Brexit was to blame for the shortages in the UK she said while it wasn't the leading cause "it certainly doesn't help."
So you are being completely disingenuous vinny. Its acknowledged europe has issues , but no shortages and nothing comparable with what is happening in brexit uk.
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Post by thomas on Feb 26, 2023 9:23:22 GMT
so who else has shortages comparable to the uk in europe vinny? Sweden, Germany, Ireland, Lithuania, Poland, Denmark, Iceland, Norway.... and another article rubbishing the cac you talk....
10 reasons why Brexit is behind the UK’s food shortages
#1 It is harder and less attractive to trade with the UK
#2 When there isn’t enough to go around – the UK is at the back of the queue
#3 The pound has lost ground against the Euro, making it harder to compete on price
#4 Club members come first
#5 Even in Kyiv in Ukraine, it is easier to get tomatoes
#6 Trade imbalance means many lorries return to the EU empty
#7 Ireland is suffering too – because it is still partly supplied via the UK
#8 The UK wasn’t part of an EU agreement to protect food producers from rising energy costs
#9 Production in the UK is down, partly due to the end of free movement
#10 The situation could worsen as the UK moves away from CAP and Brexit continues to bite
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Post by Vinny on Feb 26, 2023 9:28:15 GMT
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