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Post by Toreador on Feb 16, 2023 8:07:17 GMT
Of course it is - technological limitations mean that you need to build a parallel generation system for when renewables are not producing. Hence the latest idea of yet another 'green subsidy' to be added to energy bills. That can still be cheaper as building the power station is a tiny part of the cost of the energy produced. I dealt with this some time ago and even wrote to the MP who raised it with Liz Truss but MPs have a habit of shitting out. It may be cheaper to produce but to the consumer it's ammortised with all other sources and those who deal with green producers pay the same as those produced from other sources. You should spend more time listening to what's going on. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2023 8:58:24 GMT
Sorry I didn't know you hadn't read the thread or your own words Very many people on here keep citing China as a reason why we should stop bothering to cut our Co2 production. You should really try reading the thread yourself and attempt climbing off that high horse. What people are doing generally doesn't make any odds to what is being discussed here or who did what I made the point that, if the UK wanted to become a manufacturing giant (of green tech) like China, it would likely have to remove the restrictions that make such a path unviable presently. Your reflexive defence of china that even extends to when it isn't being attacked is a bit perplexing. Is China not on the target list? Perhaps you sensed your prisoner loosening his handcuffs? You made the point that it doesn't matter where the manufacturing takes place, it still creates Co2. That was exactly the point made when you decided to target us in particular. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 16, 2023 19:26:37 GMT
Sorry I didn't know you hadn't read the thread or your own words Very many people on here keep citing China as a reason why we should stop bothering to cut our Co2 production. You should really try reading the thread yourself and attempt climbing off that high horse. What people are doing generally doesn't make any odds to what is being discussed here or who did what I made the point that, if the UK wanted to become a manufacturing giant (of green tech) like China, it would likely have to remove the restrictions that make such a path unviable presently. Your reflexive defence of china that even extends to when it isn't being attacked is a bit perplexing. Is China not on the target list? Perhaps you sensed your prisoner loosening his handcuffs? You made the point that it doesn't matter where the manufacturing takes place, it still creates Co2. That was exactly the point made when you decided to target us in particular. When people use dodgy science and dodgy figures to convince everyone they have it right and anyone who says anything different is some kind of nut, is either trying to pull the wool over your eyes which would be advantageous for themselves, or they have been taken in by somebody else who has an advantage in it. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 16, 2023 21:15:15 GMT
But China's Co2 per capita is far better than the U.S so why not point to them? Ok but what is the Chinese population and what is the US population Eistein? Me thinks your maths ain't great. Really? That your argument? That China is more polluting because it has a bigger population? Seriously, you actually think that's reasonable? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 21:26:39 GMT
But China's Co2 per capita is far better than the U.S so why not point to them? Ok but what is the Chinese population and what is the US population Eistein? Me thinks your maths ain't great. Really? That your argument? That China is more polluting because it has a bigger population? Seriously, you actually think that's reasonable? It sounds reasonable to me. What's the problem with it? |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 16, 2023 21:47:17 GMT
But China's Co2 per capita is far better than the U.S so why not point to them? Ok but what is the Chinese population and what is the US population Eistein? Me thinks your maths ain't great. Really? That your argument? That China is more polluting because it has a bigger population? Seriously, you actually think that's reasonable? Mathematically, going by your own figures it is a fact. That if you spread it across a larger population it will be less per head. That is a fact. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2023 21:48:14 GMT
But China's Co2 per capita is far better than the U.S so why not point to them? Ok but what is the Chinese population and what is the US population Eistein? Me thinks your maths ain't great. Really? That your argument? That China is more polluting because it has a bigger population? Seriously, you actually think that's reasonable? It's reasonable in terms of the argument Large sections of China's population have very basic lifestyle - but they still emit twice the co2 of the united states. Why are you so fixated on fucking up and impoverishing the people of the uk? Will we get a break from this? |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 16, 2023 21:56:25 GMT
So by all means try another angle, but be warned I am not easily fooled.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 16, 2023 21:59:21 GMT
Sorry I didn't know you hadn't read the thread or your own words Very many people on here keep citing China as a reason why we should stop bothering to cut our Co2 production. You might want to divorce yourself from what's been said, I do not wish to. And I haven't questioned that. What I question is these restrictions to manufacturing you say are stopping the UK. I say that is not the reason things are made in China, I say its because there pay rates are far below ours. Its not a defence of China, its an attack on the excuses for doing nothing. I didn't target our manufacturing. In fact I didn't target us at all. My argument all along is that I'm very proud of the UK in leading this field. Reducing Co2 emissions is not being done at by stopping manufacturing at this time. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 16, 2023 22:05:30 GMT
Really? That your argument? That China is more polluting because it has a bigger population? Seriously, you actually think that's reasonable? It sounds reasonable to me. What's the problem with it? The maths. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 16, 2023 22:08:46 GMT
It sounds reasonable to me. What's the problem with it? The maths. Except they are if you have half a brain undeniable. Just like the Western leaders jetting in their private jets while telling everyone else they are leading net zero, utter bollocks and you follow that, as well as being hopeless at maths. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 16, 2023 22:11:27 GMT
Really? That your argument? That China is more polluting because it has a bigger population? Seriously, you actually think that's reasonable? It's reasonable in terms of the argument Large sections of China's population have very basic lifestyle - but they still emit twice the co2 of the united states. Why are you so fixated on fucking up and impoverishing the people of the uk? Will we get a break from this? You would need to qualify that claim. What proportion of the Chinese emits little Co2. How much of China's Co2 is produced making products for the rest of us I.E our Co2? The rest of your post is just the usual rude inaccurate lies. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 16, 2023 22:12:48 GMT
But China's Co2 per capita is far better than the U.S so why not point to them? Ok but what is the Chinese population and what is the US population Eistein? Me thinks your maths ain't great. Really? That your argument? That China is more polluting because it has a bigger population? Seriously, you actually think that's reasonable? In the context of global warming it is more than reasonable, it is the only relevant point. It doesn't matter what China's CO2 per capita is to the Earths eco system - it is their total output that matters. If it dwarfs everyone else then telling everyone else to cut emissions whilst allowing China free reign is an exercise in stupidity and pointlessness. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 16, 2023 22:21:58 GMT
Except they are if you have half a brain undeniable. Just like the Western leaders jetting in their private jets while telling everyone else they are leading net zero, utter bollocks and you follow that, as well as being hopeless at maths. No. This is a whole planet and we should measure Co2 emissions per person. China is not a creature of itself. Further I would say you cheat in trying to make them so. But I actually think you are funny. Lets see. The people of Manchester are extremely greedy for they eat 4 times as much as the people of Coventry. The people of India are far richer that the people of London for they earn 10 times as much. This is fun. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2023 22:33:24 GMT
It's reasonable in terms of the argument Large sections of China's population have very basic lifestyle - but they still emit twice the co2 of the united states. Why are you so fixated on fucking up and impoverishing the people of the uk? Will we get a break from this? You would need to qualify that claim. What proportion of the Chinese emits little Co2. How much of China's Co2 is produced making products for the rest of us I.E our Co2? The rest of your post is just the usual rude inaccurate lies. Zany, I don't need to explain or qualify what China is doing because I'm not accusing China of doing anything wrong. I don't have a fixation with China, you appear to have a fixation with hobbling us. I'm mentioning these facts because i'm trying to illustrate to you how beating your neighbours down and forcing them to wear hairsuits and drive milk floats isn't going to achieve anything at all except their impoverishment and disempowerment. Ergo -you are either doing what you are doing for the pure joy of causing suffering and helplessness to a people you hate, or you simply don't understand the situation |
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