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Post by zanygame on Feb 16, 2023 22:39:43 GMT
You would need to qualify that claim. What proportion of the Chinese emits little Co2. How much of China's Co2 is produced making products for the rest of us I.E our Co2? The rest of your post is just the usual rude inaccurate lies. Zany, I don't need to explain or qualify what China is doing because I'm not accusing China of doing anything wrong. I don't have a fixation with China, you appear to have a fixation with hobbling us. I didn't ask you to justify what china is doing. I asked you to qualify YOUR claim. I have not beaten my neighbours, you're just making shit up to justify you desire to do nothing about climate change. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2023 22:51:11 GMT
I didn't ask you to justify what china is doing. I asked you to qualify YOUR claim. My claim is that China's Co2 emission completely dwarfs ours and is likely to do to an even higher degree in the future. So, even if you starved the entire population of the UK to death, burned the bodies, then stamped on the ashes and beat them with sticks, it would make no odds. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 16, 2023 23:22:54 GMT
I didn't ask you to justify what china is doing. I asked you to qualify YOUR claim. My claim is that China's Co2 emission completely dwarfs ours and is likely to do to an even higher degree in the future. So, even if you starved the entire population of the UK to death, burned the bodies, then stamped on the ashes and beat them with sticks, it would make no odds. Don't dodge. You said. Large sections of China's population have very basic lifestyle - but they still emit twice the co2 of the united states. Why are you so fixated on fucking up and impoverishing the people of the uk? Will we get a break from this?To qualify this you need to show your figures as I requested. AS for the rest, its the same crazy argument. All smaller populations can behave how they like as they make little difference |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 17, 2023 6:37:22 GMT
Well if the West pulled their fingers out of their arses and started getting behind the manufacturing of renewable energy instead of letting China produce all the solar panels and wind turbines it might be different. We can't even get it together to produce batteries for EVs in this country. To busy making excuses for not taking climate change seriously.  The UK is a world leader in tokomak research and development which will make all your windmills and glass panels all the other green malarchy a waste of space... We've a bit to go but it's something where governments seriously ignored the opportunity because there was no instant success. Other than funding from the UKAEA, they need further funding to progress their ideas, oil companies perhaps? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 17, 2023 6:38:12 GMT
Well if the West pulled their fingers out of their arses and started getting behind the manufacturing of renewable energy instead of letting China produce all the solar panels and wind turbines it might be different. We can't even get it together to produce batteries for EVs in this country. To busy making excuses for not taking climate change seriously. The UK is a world leader in tokomak research and development which will make all your windmills and glass panels all the other green malarchy a waste of space... So you're happy to pay the cost of nuclear energy? |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 17, 2023 6:43:22 GMT
The UK is a world leader in tokomak research and development which will make all your windmills and glass panels all the other green malarchy a waste of space... So you're happy to pay the cost of nuclear energy? Tokamak uses nuclear fusion, not fission. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 17, 2023 7:02:27 GMT
So you're happy to pay the cost of nuclear energy? Tokamak uses nuclear fusion, not fission. Oh yes sorry. I read a while back that they were very hopeful for a new method of containment. They are still saying its decades away, but I would welcome it. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 17, 2023 7:15:35 GMT
Except they are if you have half a brain undeniable. Just like the Western leaders jetting in their private jets while telling everyone else they are leading net zero, utter bollocks and you follow that, as well as being hopeless at maths. No. This is a whole planet and we should measure Co2 emissions per person. China is not a creature of itself. Further I would say you cheat in trying to make them so. But I actually think you are funny. Lets see. The people of Manchester are extremely greedy for they eat 4 times as much as the people of Coventry. The people of India are far richer that the people of London for they earn 10 times as much. This is fun. Of course now you have to move the goalposts. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 17, 2023 7:44:13 GMT
I didn't target our manufacturing. In fact I didn't target us at all. My argument all along is that I'm very proud of the UK in leading this field.
Reducing Co2 emissions is not being done at by stopping manufacturing at this time.
Well as you have started doing so now, when we tried to reverse the process you all watched it be crushed by political interference and never said a word.
Except of course Brexit equals bad and we need more people with less.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2023 8:17:14 GMT
It's reasonable in terms of the argument Large sections of China's population have very basic lifestyle - but they still emit twice the co2 of the united states. Why are you so fixated on fucking up and impoverishing the people of the uk? Will we get a break from this? You would need to qualify that claim. What proportion of the Chinese emits little Co2. How much of China's Co2 is produced making products for the rest of us I.E our Co2? The rest of your post is just the usual rude inaccurate lies. ZG, you cant be serious? You think co2 produced by China, is our fault? Have you considered why countries who are so keen on net zero buy so much from China a coal based economy? That's right, it's because goods are cheaper. Go figure. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2023 8:20:03 GMT
Horses arse - China produces more CO2 per capita than the UK precisely because we have more stringent environmental regulations than China and more (expensive) renewable energy production. Which is precisely why western manufacturers shift production to Chine - it is cheap. 1. Because we've outsourced our manufacturing (thanks Maggie). 2. Renewable isn't more expensive. Renewables are fantastically expensive, not least of all because wind turbines cost a fortune not only to build but maintenance costs are eyewatering and if it aint windy, wind turbines don't turn. Who knew. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 17, 2023 8:26:12 GMT
Who was picking on anyone? The point was made that if the UK wanted to become a manufacturing giant (of green tech) like China, it would likely have to remove the restrictions that make such a path unviable presently Sorry I didn't know you hadn't read the thread or your own words Very many people on here keep citing China as a reason why we should stop bothering to cut our Co2 production. But China's Co2 per capita is far better than the U.S so why not point to them? China has a reasonable argument for their pollution, that they do our manufacturing. So if we want to switch that manufacturing to the UK then it will by default stop in China. The reason or Co2 production is so low is BECAUSE we don't manufacture, not because restrictions prevent us. China’s power industry calls for hundreds of new coal power plants by 2030 - unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/28/china-new-coal-plants-2030-climate/China supports net zero in the west because it's damaging western economies as the coal based Chinese economy gets ever stronger. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 17, 2023 8:51:25 GMT
Don't dodge. You said. Large sections of China's population have very basic lifestyle - but they still emit twice the co2 of the united states. Why are you so fixated on fucking up and impoverishing the people of the uk? Will we get a break from this?To qualify this you need to show your figures as I requested. Yes I did say that. I said it to illustrate the relative insignificance of our decisions in this realm - ie deciding to impoverish ourselves and disband our nation will make no odds to carbon emissions You have come into this conversation half way through, half cocked and are attempting to correct me about what I am saying AS for the rest, its the same crazy argument. All smaller populations can behave how they like as they make little difference Try your best to use logic here rather than your seething antipathy towards the people of the UK. If Industrial activity closes down in the uk and moves to the low regulation framework of china - how does that help co2 emission levels? It doesn't, does it? What does it achieve? Well, it makes UK people poorer and Britain less influential, and it transfers wealth and influence to the Chinese Communist Party. Take the electric car issue - the difference between the two techs in terms of co2 emission is practically speaking marginal, but the difference in terms of convenience and value is mammoth. Nonetheless, you are determined to basically trash a huge section of UK infrastructure and massively inconvenience and impoverish the people of the UK - possibly to the degree of them no longer having private transport - just to get at this tiny, theoretical reduction. All this has been explained to you again and again and yet you are entirely unmoved by the catastrophe your nonsense will likely create. It is like putting the boot in and causing a catastrophe is the point for you. It occurs to me that the Nazis might have rationalised rounding Jewish people up into work-camps as a carbon reduction measure. If Somebody suggested putting people in camps to reduce their carbon emissions, would that be a red line for you? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 17, 2023 22:29:57 GMT
No. This is a whole planet and we should measure Co2 emissions per person. China is not a creature of itself. Further I would say you cheat in trying to make them so. But I actually think you are funny. Lets see. The people of Manchester are extremely greedy for they eat 4 times as much as the people of Coventry. The people of India are far richer that the people of London for they earn 10 times as much. This is fun. Of course now you have to move the goalposts. Don't be daft. These are perfect examples of how ridiculous the idea of not measuring things by populace. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 17, 2023 22:32:21 GMT
Of course now you have to move the goalposts. Don't be daft. These are perfect examples of how ridiculous the idea of not measuring things by populace.
So China has less impact on climate change than the UK - are you sure?..  |
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