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Post by Bentley on Feb 9, 2023 11:56:20 GMT
There seems to be some good reasons to restrict traffic in these areas . If this is going to be ignored and the reasons are see to be a big brother type , QAnon, conspiracy then maybe I’m not qualified to contribute. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 9, 2023 12:01:20 GMT
There seems to be some good reasons to restrict traffic in these areas . If this is going to be ignored and the reasons are see to be a big brother type , QAnon, conspiracy then maybe I’m not qualified to contribute. This is the nightmare we are all sleep waking into. How many on this board if they are honest even knew about 20 minute neighbourhood’s? No political party have ever entered that in their manifestos or lead up’s to the last GE… |
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Post by patman post on Feb 9, 2023 15:19:09 GMT
Looks like you're searching for stuff to complain about.
Encouraging people to be able to live within easy reach of all the necessities of living and enjoyment seems an OK ideal for city dwellers to me.
We have almost everything needed in walkable distance here in N16, and there are buses if needed. I think it's just developed that way without any special cajoling, restriction or political pressure...
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Post by sandypine on Feb 9, 2023 16:04:50 GMT
Looks like you're searching for stuff to complain about. Encouraging people to be able to live within easy reach of all the necessities of living and enjoyment seems an OK ideal for city dwellers to me. We have almost everything needed in walkable distance here in N16, and there are buses if needed. I think it's just developed that way without any special cajoling, restriction or political pressure... It is not the twenty minutes that is the problem it is the underlying problem that restrictions will be placed on everyone in law so as to keep them largely within those zones most of the time. Currently that seems to be by price and by fines. It is not what you wish to do it is what you are allowed to do that will be the problem. My wife and I have hardly been away from the house for the last 6 weeks but have on two occasions suddenly decided we will go to town. It is the potential restriction of the travel by whim that is certainly in the offing. |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 9, 2023 16:33:13 GMT
It seems like a creeping 1984 Big Brother type of society done very slickly.
Say one day you get up and it's a nice day and you want to drive somewhere nice like perhaps to the Cotswold or perhaps to Cornwall and all of a sudden you have to fill out numerous forms and get and wait on permissions.
It could become a technologically controlled new feudal nightmare.
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Post by bancroft on Feb 9, 2023 17:19:35 GMT
This version sounds ok, yet I would see it as the case in purpose built sites for these communities and lets not forget they are not sufficient in food so deliveries will need to happen even if not noticed by the community as done outside of normal hours. They make it sound like a utopia perhaps would work for the uber generation when they want to travel further abroad they hire a car. Here they mention buses. Note the people that work there have subsidised accomodation. www.sustrans.org.uk/our-blog/get-active/2020/in-your-community/what-is-a-20-minute-neighbourhood |
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Post by Orac on Feb 9, 2023 17:30:22 GMT
It's to get people used to the idea of asking for permission, or worrying / considering that they might not have permission
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Post by patman post on Feb 9, 2023 17:54:47 GMT
This version sounds ok, yet I would see it as the case in purpose built sites for these communities and lets not forget they are not sufficient in food so deliveries will need to happen even if not noticed by the community as done outside of normal hours. They make it sound like a utopia perhaps would work for the uber generation when they want to travel further abroad they hire a car. Here they mention buses. Note the people that work there have subsidised accomodation. www.sustrans.org.uk/our-blog/get-active/2020/in-your-community/what-is-a-20-minute-neighbourhoodSustrans is a sort of Ramblers Association that’s attracted a few public relations professionals onto its board. It’s just another well-intentioned pressure group with a couple of high fliers hoping to enhance their own image and further their careers in do-gooding. They may come up with a few reasonable ideas, but I’m not going to hold my breath… |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 9, 2023 19:16:51 GMT
This version sounds ok, yet I would see it as the case in purpose built sites for these communities and lets not forget they are not sufficient in food so deliveries will need to happen even if not noticed by the community as done outside of normal hours. They make it sound like a utopia perhaps would work for the uber generation when they want to travel further abroad they hire a car. Here they mention buses. Note the people that work there have subsidised accomodation. www.sustrans.org.uk/our-blog/get-active/2020/in-your-community/what-is-a-20-minute-neighbourhoodSustrans is a sort of Ramblers Association that’s attracted a few public relations professionals onto its board. It’s just another well-intentioned pressure group with a couple of high fliers hoping to enhance their own image and further their careers in do-gooding. They may come up with a few reasonable ideas, but I’m not going to hold my breath… Yes I see it for the young trendy and wealthy individuals of a certain mindset. on a more commonly seen thing a number of high streets turned over to pedestrians, chuggers asdide work quite well, yet the traffic goes to the neighbouring roads. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 14:30:42 GMT
It might reflect the likelihood of very few people owning cars in the near future .
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Post by patman post on Feb 10, 2023 15:18:49 GMT
It might reflect the likelihood of very few people owning cars in the near future . Widespread car ownership dates from less than 100 years ago. That's a short time in the history of these islands. But look at the way motor vehicles have altered and impacted the landscape and society. Maybe specialised public transport, carriers and pedal power will now take over.
Urban residents and city dwellers may well give up cars and/or frequent car use — certainly in-town petrol stations are disappearing almost as quickly as pubs — and public charging point are not being installed as quickly as needed. Plus, Tesco and others don't appear to be developing their out-of-town sites. And shopping malls are now being developed in town.
"Twenty-minute neighbourhood" might simply be a designation given to a development that's already underway — driven by convenience and need caused, not by specific legislation, but by the initially unforeseen effects of other restrictions...
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Post by jonksy on Feb 10, 2023 15:19:08 GMT
It might reflect the likelihood of very few people owning cars in the near future . You mean very unlikely......You have fallen into the trap already. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 15:23:33 GMT
It might reflect the likelihood of very few people owning cars in the near future . You mean very unlikely......You have fallen into the trap already. No I mean likely ie few people will own cars . What trap did I fall into? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 15:28:45 GMT
It might reflect the likelihood of very few people owning cars in the near future . Widespread car ownership dates from less than 100 years ago. That's a short time in the history of these islands. But look at the way motor vehicles have altered and impacted the landscape and society. Maybe specialised public transport, carriers and pedal power will now take over.
Urban residents and city dwellers may well give up cars and/or frequent car use — certainly in-town petrol stations are disappearing almost as quickly as pubs — and public charging point are not being installed as quickly as needed. Plus, Tesco and others don't appear to be developing their out-of-town sites. And shopping malls are now being developed in town.
"Twenty-minute neighbourhood" might simply be a designation given to a development that's already underway — driven by convenience and need caused, not by specific legislation, but by the initially unforeseen effects of other restrictions...
I tend to agree. For city dwellers cars are becoming an expensive white elephant . If there are few public charging points for cars then they will become essentially useless for people who live in flats . That leaves rural areas that are spread out. They might suffer if amenities are hard to access. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 10, 2023 15:31:20 GMT
You mean very unlikely......You have fallen into the trap already. No I mean likely ie few people will own cars . What trap did I fall into? Of course people will own cars unless there is a viable public transport system which is either very cheap or free.....The trap is this is how these faceless areholes want us all to think... What doe it matter say for Oxford CC if private car owners drive out of Oxford a 100 times of day? It's fuck all to do with them....You are just bowing down and getting dry bum fucked by these control freaks. |
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