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Post by jonksy on Feb 8, 2023 16:42:36 GMT
It depends how the cost is increased. If it is by way of taxes to stop travel then that needs a democratic mandate to be enacted or maintained. If the cost is due to shortages then currently those shortages are artificially induced due to restricting oil licences, that again needs a democratic mandate. That mandate will be harder to maintain if the 'rich' are free to purchase as much as they wish. The price of a commodity is a good way to control items that are in short supply, it is not so good if its aim is to restrict use even if supply is unlimited. It has worked for the likes of tobacco but then using tobacco was largely a choice, using fuel is for many, certainly for the foreseeable future, a necessity. Hospitals will always be some distance away as the process of centralisation reduces the cost of supplying hospital services. I assume that 20 minute neighbourhoods will be designed to make travel outside the neighbourhood a choice.Or illegal... |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2023 16:53:00 GMT
I assume that 20 minute neighbourhoods will be designed to make travel outside the neighbourhood a choice.Or illegal... If a 20 minute neighbourhood could facilitate everything the people within it need then why make it illegal to leave ? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 8, 2023 18:02:34 GMT
If a 20 minute neighbourhood could facilitate everything the people within it need then why make it illegal to leave ? Why are they fitting bio-metric doors to many establishments now? Does that mean individuals can only access what they deem as acceptable and on their terms.? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2023 18:22:24 GMT
If a 20 minute neighbourhood could facilitate everything the people within it need then why make it illegal to leave ? Why are they fitting bio-metric doors to many establishments now? Does that mean individuals can only access what they deem as acceptable and on their terms.? We had a fingerprint recognition system to get into work in 2016 and a face recognition system in 2018. In the past individuals didn’t have unlimited access to many establishments anyway. They had a desk at the front lobby with a person who’s job it was to deem who was acceptable on the establishments terms . |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 8, 2023 18:47:57 GMT
Why are they fitting bio-metric doors to many establishments now? Does that mean individuals can only access what they deem as acceptable and on their terms.? We had a fingerprint recognition system to get into work in 2016 and a face recognition system in 2018. In the past individuals didn’t have unlimited access to many establishments anyway. They had a desk at the front lobby with a person who’s job it was to deem who was acceptable on the establishments terms . Yes the tech for bio-metrix is old hat but why are they installing bio-metric doors all over the place including many shops police stations and even some GP surgeries and pharmasists? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2023 19:05:25 GMT
We had a fingerprint recognition system to get into work in 2016 and a face recognition system in 2018. In the past individuals didn’t have unlimited access to many establishments anyway. They had a desk at the front lobby with a person who’s job it was to deem who was acceptable on the establishments terms . Yes the tech for bio-metrix is old hat but why are they installing bio-metric doors all over the place including many shops police stations and even some GP surgeries and pharmasists? Is this linked to 20 minute neighbourhoods? I don’t see it. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 8, 2023 19:09:01 GMT
Yes the tech for bio-metrix is old hat but why are they installing bio-metric doors all over the place including many shops police stations and even some GP surgeries and pharmasists? Is this linked to 20 minute neighbourhoods? I don’t see it. Sorry I disagree, this is being thrust up on us whithout any challenges I think everyone should be concerned on this assault on our freedom.
BTW who are these faceless stake holders?
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Post by Bentley on Feb 8, 2023 19:12:59 GMT
Is this linked to 20 minute neighbourhoods? I don’t see it. Sorry I disagree, this is being thrust up on us whithout any challenges I think everyone should be concerned on this assault on our freedom. The concept of 20 minute neighbourhoods ( afaik) begins with facilitating most or all basic needs within a small area. The claim that we would be locked inside that area is speculative. There is nothing to back it up afaik. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 8, 2023 19:17:33 GMT
Sorry I disagree, this is being thrust up on us whithout any challenges I think everyone should be concerned on this assault on our freedom. The concept of 20 minute neighbourhoods ( afaik) begins with facilitating most or all basic needs within a small area. The claim that we would be locked inside that area is speculative. There is nothing to back it up afaik. So why are bio-metric doors being quietly installed all over the place? Is it say to bar those form using the NHS etc because they were not happy about a test result or treatment they received and called to complain over their own concerns for their own welfare? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 9, 2023 0:48:37 GMT
The concept of 20 minute neighbourhoods ( afaik) begins with facilitating most or all basic needs within a small area. The claim that we would be locked inside that area is speculative. There is nothing to back it up afaik. So why are bio-metric doors being quietly installed all over the place? Is it say to bar those form using the NHS etc because they were not happy about a test result or treatment they received and called to complain over their own concerns for their own welfare? They already employ receptionists to do that . |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 9, 2023 0:53:30 GMT
So why are bio-metric doors being quietly installed all over the place? Is it say to bar those form using the NHS etc because they were not happy about a test result or treatment they received and called to complain over their own concerns for their own welfare? They already employ receptionists to do that . LOL.... |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 9, 2023 9:36:37 GMT
If a 20 minute neighbourhood could facilitate everything the people within it need then why make it illegal to leave ? Indeed why? That is what Oxford are doing however making it punishable by a fine to drive out of your neighbourhood more than 100 times in any given year, (which law was passed that allowed that?). Which means of course that you are being watched and monitored as regards what you do in your car. Perhaps there is nothing to fear, I seriously doubt that, power begets authoritarianism and those that enjoy power will wield it assiduously. History shows that clearly and it always ends in tears. In the past people had to seek permission from employers to marry, from parishes to leave their parish and form mine owners to work in other mines. Once we have to seek permission to travel around the country then there is a slippery slope. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 9, 2023 10:43:30 GMT
If a 20 minute neighbourhood could facilitate everything the people within it need then why make it illegal to leave ? Indeed why? That is what Oxford are doing however making it punishable by a fine to drive out of your neighbourhood more than 100 times in any given year, (which law was passed that allowed that?). Which means of course that you are being watched and monitored as regards what you do in your car. Perhaps there is nothing to fear, I seriously doubt that, power begets authoritarianism and those that enjoy power will wield it assiduously. History shows that clearly and it always ends in tears. In the past people had to seek permission from employers to marry, from parishes to leave their parish and form mine owners to work in other mines. Once we have to seek permission to travel around the country then there is a slippery slope. Have you got a link about Oxford ? |
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Post by Orac on Feb 9, 2023 11:04:14 GMT
The thing being being breached here is a principle - In a democracy where we go and what we do are not centrally controlled by politicians.
The proposals are modest at present to get some portion of the population to accept that our politicians should be telling us where we can go. First they will breach the principle and create a precedent, after that it will just be a matter of relentless nagging until everyone is compliant. It's a bit like mass immigration: nobody voted for it but they will still force it (unless people get off their knees).
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Post by jonksy on Feb 9, 2023 11:44:35 GMT
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