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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 11:44:27 GMT
But you weren't arguing here on having a choice of what NHS services etc you have. You were arguing that spending cuts had no cost.
So my analogy is that 'spending cuts' in your insurance does have a 'cost' Just as spending cuts in your 'tax' does have a 'cost' What 'cost' would there be if spending cuts resulted in no more rainbows painted on the roads, police cars or fire engines? Some old farts would not get to discuss what LGBT means and would continue with their misunderstandings such as LGBT is a lifestyle choice. This might lead to parts of the community missing out on things others get. But as I have said many times, you only pick on thing that YOU think are a waste of money. If I asked why Chelsea pensioners need better accommodation than other elderly people you are shocked at my apparent lack of caring.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 11:45:34 GMT
You are just trying to be the usual annoying piece of work, killing threads with your bullshit as you seek to goad and annoy on purpose. The entire media talks about funded and unfunded tax cuts. Everyone understands the concept. The lost revenue of a tax cut is the cost of that tax cut. It needs to be funded by cuts in expenditure or else it is unfunded. However much you stupidly try to claim that tax cuts come for free. They have a cost in spending cuts or borrowing increases. Are you so wilfully pig ignorant that you cannot understands that, or is it politically motivated ignorance? Trying to liken it to wages is just a diversion. Wages are not the same as taxes. The former is money earnt. The latter is money paid out. Nevertheless, if I choose to work fewer hours and take home less money, that has a cost and must be funded by cuts in my expenditure, or else I will have to hit the credit card, ie borrow more. Tax cuts also need to be funded by spending cuts, otherwise they are unfunded tax cuts. However much you seek to derail Zanygame's thread by this nonsense that tax cuts come for free. You are either a fool or you are on a deliberate wind up in an attempt to slience me and others and derail one of the few threads around here where intelligent debate occurred. I don't think you are a fool so your intent is malicious, a deliberate attempt tp annoy people with bullshit and derail intelligent debate thatdid not syuit your own political agenda, and only your fellow political and economic right wing ignoramusses seem to like the crap you are spouting. Why are spending cuts a 'cost' - if they allow us to keep more of our own money most people would see that as a benefit. Because they are a reduction or complete withdrawal of services that many rely on ro save the money to fund the tax cuts. That is a very real cost to many people
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 11:48:46 GMT
But you weren't arguing here on having a choice of what NHS services etc you have. You were arguing that spending cuts had no cost.
So my analogy is that 'spending cuts' in your insurance does have a 'cost' Just as spending cuts in your 'tax' does have a 'cost' What 'cost' would there be if spending cuts resulted in no more rainbows painted on the roads, police cars or fire engines? Ig you imagine that vast sums of taxpayers money goes on that you really do need to get out more.
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Post by see2 on Feb 12, 2023 11:56:40 GMT
I'm not surprised that you have completely missed the point. You have a point? - theres a first.. It wasn't my point. When you have no answer, just deviate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 12:05:04 GMT
You are just trying to be the usual annoying piece of work, killing threads with your bullshit as you seek to goad and annoy on purpose. The entire media talks about funded and unfunded tax cuts. Everyone understands the concept. The lost revenue of a tax cut is the cost of that tax cut. It needs to be funded by cuts in expenditure or else it is unfunded. However much you stupidly try to claim that tax cuts come for free. They have a cost in spending cuts or borrowing increases. Are you so wilfully pig ignorant that you cannot understands that, or is it politically motivated ignorance? Trying to liken it to wages is just a diversion. Wages are not the same as taxes. The former is money earnt. The latter is money paid out. Nevertheless, if I choose to work fewer hours and take home less money, that has a cost and must be funded by cuts in my expenditure, or else I will have to hit the credit card, ie borrow more. Tax cuts also need to be funded by spending cuts, otherwise they are unfunded tax cuts. However much you seek to derail Zanygame's thread by this nonsense that tax cuts come for free. You are either a fool or you are on a deliberate wind up in an attempt to slience me and others and derail one of the few threads around here where intelligent debate occurred. I don't think you are a fool so your intent is malicious, a deliberate attempt tp annoy people with bullshit and derail intelligent debate thatdid not syuit your own political agenda, and only your fellow political and economic right wing ignoramusses seem to like the crap you are spouting. I gave up on the thread when Mags first started this malarkey. He did indeed derail an intelligent thread with his silly assertion that tax cuts are free and do not have to be funded by cuts elsewhere or increased borrowing to replace the lostrevenue. I also note that he did it in direct response to my first post in this thread so I suspect the intention was to shut me personally down and prevent all the other valid points I made from being discussed. Rather than debate openly and reasonably. It was an attempt to shut down the debate and my part in it rather than let it continue as an intelligent discussion which he feared would not go in his preferred political direction. That a mod has behaved in such a way is a disgrace. And you can see who his cheerleaders are and whose agenda he is serving by this derailment, by who is liking his efforts. Such intellectual giants as Jonksy no less, to name but one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 12:09:44 GMT
What 'cost' would there be if spending cuts resulted in no more rainbows painted on the roads, police cars or fire engines? Some old farts would not get to discuss what LGBT means and would continue with their misunderstandings such as LGBT is a lifestyle choice. This might lead to parts of the community missing out on things others get. But as I have said many times, you only pick on thing that YOU think are a waste of money. If I asked why Chelsea pensioners need better accommodation than other elderly people you are shocked at my apparent lack of caring. Indeed. If you dared to suggest, for example, that giving winter fuel handouts to better off pensioners who don't need them is a waste of money they tend to get all uppity.
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Post by Orac on Feb 12, 2023 12:10:01 GMT
I gave up on the thread when Mags first started this malarkey. He did indeed derail an intelligent thread with his silly assertion that tax cuts are free and do not have to be funded by cuts elsewhere or increased borrowing to replace the lostrevenue. The reason the left use this bizarre distorted language - If every mismatch between funding and spending is described as 'an unfunded absence of taxation', then all such mismatches are framed as a failure to tax heavily enough. It's psychology. That's why they go to such lengths to preserve the clumsy phrasing. Clearly Tax cuts don't need to be funded and reducing spending is not the same thing as funding.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 12:18:10 GMT
I gave up on the thread when Mags first started this malarkey. He did indeed derail an intelligent thread with his silly assertion that tax cuts are free and do not have to be funded by cuts elsewhere or increased borrowing to replace the lostrevenue. I also note that he did it in direct response to my first post in this thread so I suspect the intention was to shut me personally down and prevent all the other valid points I made from being discussed. Rather than debate openly and reasonably. It was an attempt to shut down the debate and my part in it rather than let it continue as an intelligent discussion which he feared would not go in his preferred political direction. That a mod has behaved in such a way is a disgrace. And you can see who his cheerleaders are and whose agenda he is serving by this derailment, by who is liking his efforts. Such intellectual giants as Jonksy no less, to name but one. I seem to have reached an understanding with Jonsky of late. We have had a number of good conversations. Mags does seem to like playing cat and mouse over actual debate.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 12:20:08 GMT
He did indeed derail an intelligent thread with his silly assertion that tax cuts are free and do not have to be funded by cuts elsewhere or increased borrowing to replace the lostrevenue. The reason the left use this bizarre distorted language - If every mismatch between funding and spending is described as 'an unfunded absence of taxation', then all such mismatches are framed as a failure to tax heavily enough. It's psychology. That's why they go to such lengths to preserve the clumsy phrasing. Clearly Tax cuts don't need to be funded and reducing spending is not the same thing as funding. You could have easily argued that taxing more has become an easy option or a mantra for some, without wasting pages of peoples time on word semantics.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 12:21:10 GMT
Some old farts would not get to discuss what LGBT means and would continue with their misunderstandings such as LGBT is a lifestyle choice. This might lead to parts of the community missing out on things others get. But as I have said many times, you only pick on things that YOU think are a waste of money. If I asked why Chelsea pensioners need better accommodation than other elderly people you are shocked at my apparent lack of caring. Indeed. If you dared to suggest, for example, that giving winter fuel handouts to better off pensioners who don't need them is a waste of money they tend to get all uppity. Oh yes and point out rare exceptions who might miss out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 12:32:04 GMT
He did indeed derail an intelligent thread with his silly assertion that tax cuts are free and do not have to be funded by cuts elsewhere or increased borrowing to replace the lostrevenue. The reason the left use this bizarre distorted language - If every mismatch between funding and spending is described as 'an unfunded absence of taxation', then all such mismatches are framed as a failure to tax heavily enough. It's psychology. That's why they go to such lengths to preserve the clumsy phrasing. Clearly Tax cuts don't need to be funded and reducing spending is not the same thing as funding. So here is the reason for your thread derailment, a politically motivated anti-left agenda, so no wonder it is aimed at me. Tax cuts do not come for free. Every sensible person knows this. Every tax cut is a reduction in revenue which has to be funded by a spending cut of a commensurate amount, otherwise it is unfunded other than simply by borrowing. The entire media understands this. You refuse to for dubious politically motivated reasons, a kind of politically motivated ignorance. Never before have I seen such a brazen campaign of thread derailment by an actual mod. Regardless of your distortions, any tax cuts need to be made affordable by commensurate spending cuts, otherwise they are unaffordable. Thus, in a very real de facto sense no matter how much you try and pretend otherwise, tax cuts do need to be funded by spending cuts or tax rises elsewhere, otherwise they are unfunded. If in your world of fantasy economics tax cuts are entirely free and have no cost whatsoever, why not cut all taxes to zero? And surely even you know that that would be utterly unaffordable, thereby slaying the lie that they are free. Nothing is for free, not even tax cuts. Now can you not just bore off and stop derailing the thread with this shit? Maybe next time the BBC or ITN talk about unfunded tax cuts - because they understand the concept even if your wilful ignorance makes you refuse to do so - you should write a stiffly worded letter of complaint to the powers that be and see how far you get with your rubbish. Instead of trying to silence me because you don't like my politics and refuse to debate reasonably.
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Post by Toreador on Feb 12, 2023 15:36:19 GMT
Some old farts would not get to discuss what LGBT means and would continue with their misunderstandings such as LGBT is a lifestyle choice. This might lead to parts of the community missing out on things others get. But as I have said many times, you only pick on thing that YOU think are a waste of money. If I asked why Chelsea pensioners need better accommodation than other elderly people you are shocked at my apparent lack of caring. Indeed. If you dared to suggest, for example, that giving winter fuel handouts to better off pensioners who don't need them is a waste of money they tend to get all uppity. Can you define better off pensioner, how much they get, how much they spend, how much you think is the minimum pension to survive without additional benefits?
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 12, 2023 15:56:28 GMT
What 'cost' would there be if spending cuts resulted in no more rainbows painted on the roads, police cars or fire engines? Some old farts would not get to discuss what LGBT means and would continue with their misunderstandings such as LGBT is a lifestyle choice. This might lead to parts of the community missing out on things others get.
But as I have said many times, you only pick on thing that YOU think are a waste of money. How are parts of the community missing out on things others get when we we have reams of equality legislation and thousands of Equality and Diversity managers in every department in the Public Sector?. the fact is that even you cannot point to a 'cost' if spending was reigned in on areas like that.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 16:38:39 GMT
Some old farts would not get to discuss what LGBT means and would continue with their misunderstandings such as LGBT is a lifestyle choice. This might lead to parts of the community missing out on things others get.
But as I have said many times, you only pick on thing that YOU think are a waste of money. How are parts of the community missing out on things others get when we we have reams of equality legislation and thousands of Equality and Diversity managers in every department in the Public Sector?. the fact is that even you cannot point to a 'cost' if spending was reigned in on areas like that. How are Chelsea pensioners missing out if they don't get special treatment? Not everything can be measured by misers. And as the song goes : They passed a law in '64 To give those without just a little more But it only goes so far Because the law don't change the old mans mind When all he sees at the hiring time, Is the line on the colour bar
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 12, 2023 18:11:18 GMT
How are parts of the community missing out on things others get when we we have reams of equality legislation and thousands of Equality and Diversity managers in every department in the Public Sector?. the fact is that even you cannot point to a 'cost' if spending was reigned in on areas like that. How are Chelsea pensioners missing out if they don't get special treatment? Not everything can be measured by misers. And as the song goes : They passed a law in '64 To give those without just a little more But it only goes so far Because the law don't change the old mans mind When all he sees at the hiring time, Is the line on the colour bar Sorry - but not seeing the connection between painting rainbows and looking after pensioners.
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