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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 18:43:12 GMT
How are Chelsea pensioners missing out if they don't get special treatment? Not everything can be measured by misers. And as the song goes : They passed a law in '64 To give those without just a little more But it only goes so far Because the law don't change the old mans mind When all he sees at the hiring time, Is the line on the colour bar Sorry - but not seeing the connection between painting rainbows and looking after pensioners. Sorry you can't keep up. Perhaps read the posts back to back, so you don't lose the thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 19:36:30 GMT
Indeed. If you dared to suggest, for example, that giving winter fuel handouts to better off pensioners who don't need them is a waste of money they tend to get all uppity. Can you define better off pensioner, how much they get, how much they spend, how much you think is the minimum pension to survive without additional benefits? Well that is a matter of interpretation, but I would say that certainly any pensioner better off than the average full time worker doesn't need handouts. But that is not the point. The point is that the very same people why decry as waste taxpayers money spent on things they don't like, tell a different tune when it comes to things they do like, as you might be about to prove. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 12, 2023 19:42:54 GMT
Can you define better off pensioner, how much they get, how much they spend, how much you think is the minimum pension to survive without additional benefits? Well that is a matter of interpretation, but I would say that certainly any pensioner better off than the average full time worker doesn't need handouts. But that is not the point. The point is that the very same people why decry as waste taxpayers money spent on things they don't like, tell a different tune when it comes to things they do like, as you might be about to prove. I knew you'd swerve so let's try again. What is the net income of an average full time worker and does a working wife and even older kids supplement that? Is it likely that he may have younger kids for which there is child's allowance? There are more questions but I don't want to crowd you. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 20:12:48 GMT
Well that is a matter of interpretation, but I would say that certainly any pensioner better off than the average full time worker doesn't need handouts. But that is not the point. The point is that the very same people why decry as waste taxpayers money spent on things they don't like, tell a different tune when it comes to things they do like, as you might be about to prove. I knew you'd swerve so let's try again. What is the net income of an average full time worker and does a working wife and even older kids supplement that? Is it likely that he may have younger kids for which there is child's allowance? There are more questions but I don't want to crowd you. I'd say it would be incremental. Anyone with a private pension providing an income of more than 15k PA does not require a state pension but could claim benefits if needed. But as SRB says, this is not a discussion on state pensions, a point was being made on what you consider a waste of money. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 12, 2023 20:27:10 GMT
I knew you'd swerve so let's try again. What is the net income of an average full time worker and does a working wife and even older kids supplement that? Is it likely that he may have younger kids for which there is child's allowance? There are more questions but I don't want to crowd you. I'd say it would be incremental. Anyone with a private pension providing an income of more than 15k PA does not require a state pension but could claim benefits if needed. But as SRB says, this is not a discussion on state pensions, a point was being made on what you consider a waste of money. Please clarify. Is that a private pension of 15K on top of state pension and does state pension take in SERPS? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 20:31:43 GMT
I'd say it would be incremental. Anyone with a private pension providing an income of more than 15k PA does not require a state pension but could claim benefits if needed. But as SRB says, this is not a discussion on state pensions, a point was being made on what you consider a waste of money. Please clarify. Is that a private pension of 15K on top of state pension and does state pension take in SERPS? If you got a private pension of 15k you would no longer qualify for the state pension or serps. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 12, 2023 20:35:28 GMT
Please clarify. Is that a private pension of 15K on top of state pension and does state pension take in SERPS? If you got a private pension of 15k you would no longer qualify for the state pension or serps. lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 20:37:37 GMT
Well that is a matter of interpretation, but I would say that certainly any pensioner better off than the average full time worker doesn't need handouts. But that is not the point. The point is that the very same people why decry as waste taxpayers money spent on things they don't like, tell a different tune when it comes to things they do like, as you might be about to prove. I knew you'd swerve so let's try again. What is the net income of an average full time worker and does a working wife and even older kids supplement that? Is it likely that he may have younger kids for which there is child's allowance? There are more questions but I don't want to crowd you. Why are you trying to make this an issue of exact numbers when only the general principle was mooted, if not to mount a defence of pensioner handouts, thereby proving Zany's point? The actual means testing levels would have to be determined if we started means testing pensioner handouts. The actual point that you swerved was that you old duffers view as waste only the spending on things you don't like. The merest suggestion of cuts for you lot and suddenly you get all defensive. Which as I said actually proves the very point Zany was making. Why are you in any case asking me to supply you with the average working wage figure? It is easy to find via a google search. If you want to know do your own fucking looking. And incidentally it is a little over £30k. I certainly don't think any pensioner household with an income at that level or above needs taxpayer funded hand outs. Do you? But where the cut off point should be is a matter of debate. But it is not the topic of this thread. I just don't think better off pensioners need taxpayer funded handouts. I think that is a scandalous waste of money. But what exactly constitutes a better off pensioner I am open to persuasion on. So fire away. Convince me that my hard earned taxes are well spent giving handouts to comparatively well off old duffers who begrudge the scrapings of their arse to people like me. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 12, 2023 20:43:40 GMT
I knew you'd swerve so let's try again. What is the net income of an average full time worker and does a working wife and even older kids supplement that? Is it likely that he may have younger kids for which there is child's allowance? There are more questions but I don't want to crowd you. Why are you trying to make this an issue of exact numbers when only the general principle was mooted, if not to mount a defence of pensioner handouts, thereby proving Zany's point? The actual means testing levels would have to be determined if we started means testing pensioner handouts. The actual point that you swerved was that you old duffers view as waste only the spending on things you don't like. The merest suggestion of cuts for you lot and suddenly you get all defensive. Which as I said actually proves the very point Zany was making. Why are you in any case asking me to supply you with the average working wage figure? It is easy to find via a google search. If you want to know do your own fucking looking. And incidentally it is a little over £30k. I certainly don't think any pensioner household with an income at that level or above needs taxpayer funded hand outs. Do you? But where the cut off point should be is a matter of debate. But it is not the topic of this thread. I just don't think better off pensioners need taxpayer funded handouts. I think that is a scandalous waste of money. But what exactly constitutes a better off pensioner I am open to persuasion on. So fire away. Convince me that my hard earned taxes are well spent giving handouts to comparatively well off old duffers who begrudge the scrapings of their arse to people like me. lol.....laughing at the anger and inaccuracy. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 20:45:23 GMT
If you got a private pension of 15k you would no longer qualify for the state pension or serps. lol. Oh, that's not where you want tax cut then? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 20:58:49 GMT
Why are you trying to make this an issue of exact numbers when only the general principle was mooted, if not to mount a defence of pensioner handouts, thereby proving Zany's point? The actual means testing levels would have to be determined if we started means testing pensioner handouts. The actual point that you swerved was that you old duffers view as waste only the spending on things you don't like. The merest suggestion of cuts for you lot and suddenly you get all defensive. Which as I said actually proves the very point Zany was making. Why are you in any case asking me to supply you with the average working wage figure? It is easy to find via a google search. If you want to know do your own fucking looking. And incidentally it is a little over £30k. I certainly don't think any pensioner household with an income at that level or above needs taxpayer funded hand outs. Do you? But where the cut off point should be is a matter of debate. But it is not the topic of this thread. I just don't think better off pensioners need taxpayer funded handouts. I think that is a scandalous waste of money. But what exactly constitutes a better off pensioner I am open to persuasion on. So fire away. Convince me that my hard earned taxes are well spent giving handouts to comparatively well off old duffers who begrudge the scrapings of their arse to people like me. lol.....laughing at the anger and inaccuracy. Well that's a rather pointless contribution. But you are right about one thing. Selfish old gits who think there ought to be a bottomless pit of public money for them no matter how well off they already are whilst begrudging any help for the hardworking people they expect to pay for it all, do make me angry. One rule for you and a very different rule for all those hardworking people you expect to cosset you with handouts galore in your dotage. If you are truly poor you should get help like the rest of the population when they are truly poor. Otherwise it is taxpayer funded handouts you don't need. And anyone expecting handouts they don't need as a right is someone with an unwarranted sense of entitlement and a greedy, money grubbing git. No better in my book than those you would decry as welfare scroungers |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 21:05:41 GMT
Oh, that's not where you want tax cut then? Lol, let those who have wasted pages trying to claim that tax cuts are free have the lost revenue afforded by slashing the billions spent on their state pensions. So they can see how free their tax cuts actually are, lol. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 12, 2023 21:20:54 GMT
He did indeed derail an intelligent thread with his silly assertion that tax cuts are free and do not have to be funded by cuts elsewhere or increased borrowing to replace the lostrevenue. The reason the left use this bizarre distorted language - If every mismatch between funding and spending is described as 'an unfunded absence of taxation', then all such mismatches are framed as a failure to tax heavily enough. It's psychology. That's why they go to such lengths to preserve the clumsy phrasing. Clearly Tax cuts don't need to be funded and reducing spending is not the same thing as funding. Try the straightforward approach, tax cuts have a knock-on affect which is recognised as the 'cost of making such cuts'. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 12, 2023 21:41:40 GMT
I have just sent everyone a message in the Christmas club this year due to inflation and government policy, you won't be getting your hamper as promised as you can afford another one and you can whistle for your money.
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Post by sheepy on Feb 12, 2023 21:49:04 GMT
I have just sent everyone a message in the Christmas club this year due to inflation and government policy, you won't be getting your hamper as promised as you can afford another one and you can whistle for your money. Now all I am getting a lot whining about you promised us if we paid in we would get a return,tough luck its company policy you can afford another one anyway you don't need it. |
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