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Post by sword on Feb 2, 2023 22:38:41 GMT
Many are defining white people as either racist or incapable of being anything other than racist due to their 'privilege', 'fragility', 'power' or 'guilt' and they are given much space to promote that view. Here is just one www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/elena-guthrie/racism-white-privilege_b_18147778.htmlWhere the question asked is 'are all white people racist' and the answer given is yes. What are racist tropes and racist modes and if they are 'of thought' how do you know? Well there are extremists which all you dog whistling types like to cite as a justification for your own racist rants. Racist tropes are racially motivated assumptions, eg black people are less intelligent or more intrinsically criminally minded as something integral to their race. And we see the thought processes in play when closet or subconscious racists attempt to argue their case, frequently citing such things as being racially determined rather than societally or economically determined. The unspoken assumption is that black people do less well not because of racial discrimination, greater economic disadvantage, or suchlike but because black people are racially inferior. Though very few have the guts to spell that out explicitly. Though it is the very obvious assumption driving their thinking. You will probably find its the same brigade who supported Apartheid South Africa and that racist Ian Smith in what was Rhodesia,its part of their DNA. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 2, 2023 22:41:45 GMT
If you see anyone being racist please fell free to report it. You would be one of those most likely to refuse to see it as such. So I wouldn't waste my time reporting anything but an utterly irrefutable example, eg use of the n word. And even the more intellectually challenged members around here are unlikely to be quite as stupid as that. It's all dog whistle stuff. And with all the abuse and insults and trolling flying around this place unchecked - in which I myself have gone native and now respond in kind to the worst offenders - I do actually see little evidence of active moderation around here, and thus see little point in reporting anything. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 2, 2023 22:42:19 GMT
Well there are extremists which all you dog whistling types like to cite as a justification for your own racist rants. Racist tropes are racially motivated assumptions, eg black people are less intelligent or more intrinsically criminally minded as something integral to their race. And we see the thought processes in play when closet or subconscious racists attempt to argue their case, frequently citing such things as being racially determined rather than societally or economically determined. The unspoken assumption is that black people do less well not because of racial discrimination, greater economic disadvantage, or suchlike but because black people are racially inferior. Though very few have the guts to spell that out explicitly. Though it is the very obvious assumption driving their thinking. You will probably find its the same brigade who supported Apartheid South Africa and that racist Ian Smith in what was Rhodesia,its part of their DNA. Ian Smith racist.....lol. Had we not been so pigheaded, Smith would not only have made a real go of Rhodesia but would have stopped Mugabe in his tracks. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 2, 2023 22:46:34 GMT
The point of course is the publication(s) within which these views are expressed. You say that racially motivated assumptions are made as regards races. Many of these are based on many years of data and refer to averages, which many on the left seem unable to grasp that an average is not an indication of all. The supporters of diversity, and it is official government policy to support diversity, point to the differences in race as being a positive thing for businesses as different races and cultures bring different ways of operating and looking at things. So officially races and cultures are intrinsically different as a point of fact. Differences have good and bad points and that is also an uncomfortable fact. On average black men run faster than white men, that is an undeniable fact and that is seen at the extreme end of top runners who are mostly black. That is the way the world is, trying to deny it is useless. What you have to do is only, and I mean only, consider people on their individual merits. If that works out badly for some races, as it does for white runners, then that is just the way it is. This has a vein of racist assumption running right through it from the start, that certain races do less well than others in society not because of discrimination, or educational disadvantages, or economic ones, but because they are racially inferior. You yourself are deploying a standard racist trope of a kind all too familiar. That black men might on average be marginally faster runners is neither here nor there. The difference is marginal. The average white athlete could easily outrun the vast majority of black people. To go further than that and imply that racial characteristics lay behind the comparative failure of certain racial groups to do well in large numbers, rather than discriminatory, economic, educational, or societal factors is tantamount to blaming failure on racial inferiority. If you cannot see that you are thus indulging in a racist trope yourself, then that is your problem. Your fellow racists here will back you of course, even though you and possibly some of them will refuse to acknowledge your racism. Non racists will see the racist trope you are using for what it is. Genetic differences between races are so marginal that they do not and cannot of themselves explain gross ethnic inequalities. What was factually inaccurate in what I said? There is no assumption I stated clearly what actually is existent. If the difference in running and athletic sport in general was 'marginal' the US would be represented by the 50% white population runners in the main instead of mostly from the 15% approx black population. The difference in skill set here is palpable. Diversity is promoted by government as desirable. Why would that be if the races and cultures are equal? If the racist trope is to consider the difference of races then our government, and most of those who support the diversity project are being intrinsically racist. You have inferred that I have said that those that do less well are inferior. That is not the case I accept that there are differences but those differences are not of necessity all positive. However to articulate this is held to be racist. I have not said that discrimination has not occurred in fact my very point is that all peoples indulge in that activity and white people are not by any means unique as history shows us. The main point is that diversity brings with it untold problems by way of normal social intercourse where acceptability of any action, gesture, phrase or utterance is dependant on both the participants in that interaction and even on those viewing said interaction. This is a recipe for a fractured society and that is indeed what we are seeing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 22:49:22 GMT
You will probably find its the same brigade who supported Apartheid South Africa and that racist Ian Smith in what was Rhodesia,its part of their DNA. Ian Smith racist.....lol. Had we not been so pigheaded, Smith would not only have made a real go of Rhodesia but would have stopped Mugabe in his tracks. Mugabe was a tyrant. But Ian Smith was the leader of a white minority regime which excluded the black majority from political power. Yet you - laughably - seem to regard the idea of him and his whites only regime as racists to be laughable. Clearly another closet racist in denial. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 22:53:31 GMT
This has a vein of racist assumption running right through it from the start, that certain races do less well than others in society not because of discrimination, or educational disadvantages, or economic ones, but because they are racially inferior. You yourself are deploying a standard racist trope of a kind all too familiar. That black men might on average be marginally faster runners is neither here nor there. The difference is marginal. The average white athlete could easily outrun the vast majority of black people. To go further than that and imply that racial characteristics lay behind the comparative failure of certain racial groups to do well in large numbers, rather than discriminatory, economic, educational, or societal factors is tantamount to blaming failure on racial inferiority. If you cannot see that you are thus indulging in a racist trope yourself, then that is your problem. Your fellow racists here will back you of course, even though you and possibly some of them will refuse to acknowledge your racism. Non racists will see the racist trope you are using for what it is. Genetic differences between races are so marginal that they do not and cannot of themselves explain gross ethnic inequalities. What was factually inaccurate in what I said? There is no assumption I stated clearly what actually is existent. If the difference in running and athletic sport in general was 'marginal' the US would be represented by the 50% white population runners in the main instead of mostly from the 15% approx black population. The difference in skill set here is palpable. Diversity is promoted by government as desirable. Why would that be if the races and cultures are equal? If the racist trope is to consider the difference of races then our government, and most of those who support the diversity project are being intrinsically racist. You have inferred that I have said that those that do less well are inferior. That is not the case I accept that there are differences but those differences are not of necessity all positive. However to articulate this is held to be racist. I have not said that discrimination has not occurred in fact my very point is that all peoples indulge in that activity and white people are not by any means unique as history shows us. The main point is that diversity brings with it untold problems by way of normal social intercourse where acceptability of any action, gesture, phrase or utterance is dependant on both the participants in that interaction and even on those viewing said interaction. This is a recipe for a fractured society and that is indeed what we are seeing. And you are talking the kind of predictable BS beloved of racists trying to justify their racism that is just so much tripe but it is too late in the evening with work beckoning in the morning for me to bother engaging with your predictable shite. You see, unlike most around here I do actually have to work for a living. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 2, 2023 22:55:47 GMT
Ian Smith racist.....lol. Had we not been so pigheaded, Smith would not only have made a real go of Rhodesia but would have stopped Mugabe in his tracks. Mugabe was a tyrant. But Ian Smith was the leader of a white minority regime which excluded the black majority from political power. Yet you - laughably - seem to regard the idea of him and his whites only regime as racists to be laughable. Clearly another closet racist in denial. He was also a racist. Indulging in genocidal activity against different tribes and ruling through his own tribal familial ties. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 22:57:30 GMT
You would be one of those most likely to refuse to see it as such. So I wouldn't waste my time reporting anything but an utterly irrefutable example, eg use of the n word. And even the more intellectually challenged members around here are unlikely to be quite as stupid as that. It's all dog whistle stuff. And with all the abuse and insults and trolling flying around this place unchecked - in which I myself have gone native and now respond in kind to the worst offenders - I do actually see little evidence of active moderation around here, and thus see little point in reporting anything. Well that is an almighty cop-out - you dont bother reporting racism because the moderators are racist. Of course that makes it very easy to claim that this place is a hot-bed of racism without having to point out any actual examples. You are a fraud..  As are you. I have already called out on this forum this evening one of the closet racists in denial trying to argue in effect that blacks underperforming in society is due to racial inferiority. I suspect that you would try and deny that this is even racist but a fact. I don't trust you to recognise racism for what it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 22:59:22 GMT
You will probably find its the same brigade who supported Apartheid South Africa and that racist Ian Smith in what was Rhodesia,its part of their DNA. Ian Smith racist.....lol. Had we not been so pigheaded, Smith would not only have made a real go of Rhodesia but would have stopped Mugabe in his tracks. Lol, Sword. One of them has just popped up to immediately prove your point. Class, hahaha |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 23:01:33 GMT
Mugabe was a tyrant. But Ian Smith was the leader of a white minority regime which excluded the black majority from political power. Yet you - laughably - seem to regard the idea of him and his whites only regime as racists to be laughable. Clearly another closet racist in denial. He was also a racist. Indulging in genocidal activity against different tribes and ruling through his own tribal familial ties. That Mugabe was a racist as well does not alter the fact that Ian Smith clearly was. Two wrongs do not make a right. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 3, 2023 7:50:15 GMT
Well that is an almighty cop-out - you dont bother reporting racism because the moderators are racist. Of course that makes it very easy to claim that this place is a hot-bed of racism without having to point out any actual examples. You are a fraud.. As are you. I have already called out on this forum this evening one of the closet racists in denial trying to argue in effect that blacks underperforming in society is due to racial inferiority. I suspect that you would try and deny that this is even racist but a fact. I don't trust you to recognise racism for what it is. top right hand is a little button that allows you to report any post. I suggest you make use of it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 3, 2023 10:47:49 GMT
When you look at every issue through the prism of race you end up in ridiculous situations like this... A black guy is murdered by 5 other black guys - so it's racism innit..    |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 3, 2023 14:26:44 GMT
What was factually inaccurate in what I said? There is no assumption I stated clearly what actually is existent. If the difference in running and athletic sport in general was 'marginal' the US would be represented by the 50% white population runners in the main instead of mostly from the 15% approx black population. The difference in skill set here is palpable. Diversity is promoted by government as desirable. Why would that be if the races and cultures are equal? If the racist trope is to consider the difference of races then our government, and most of those who support the diversity project are being intrinsically racist. You have inferred that I have said that those that do less well are inferior. That is not the case I accept that there are differences but those differences are not of necessity all positive. However to articulate this is held to be racist. I have not said that discrimination has not occurred in fact my very point is that all peoples indulge in that activity and white people are not by any means unique as history shows us. The main point is that diversity brings with it untold problems by way of normal social intercourse where acceptability of any action, gesture, phrase or utterance is dependant on both the participants in that interaction and even on those viewing said interaction. This is a recipe for a fractured society and that is indeed what we are seeing. And you are talking the kind of predictable BS beloved of racists trying to justify their racism that is just so much tripe but it is too late in the evening with work beckoning in the morning for me to bother engaging with your predictable shite. You see, unlike most around here I do actually have to work for a living. Which is what I do not understand. Diversity promotion depends on difference yet if one considers the difference it becomes BS. There is really so much hypocrisy at work it is hard to unravel what is actually meant and to what level the self delusion kicks in. By the way I have done my fifty years of commuting, 4am rises, out in all weathers, cycling and walking to work and living in bedsits and guest houses. We all take a turn. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 3, 2023 14:30:32 GMT
He was also a racist. Indulging in genocidal activity against different tribes and ruling through his own tribal familial ties. That Mugabe was a racist as well does not alter the fact that Ian Smith clearly was. Two wrongs do not make a right. Smith dealt with his own people as power holders, just as Mugabe did the only difference was Mugabe's power holders were a different black ethnic group. We could compare the wellbeing of the Rhodesian/Zimbabwean people under Smith and Mugabe and we see that being a racist is bad but being a racist and a tyrant is worse. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 3, 2023 14:38:25 GMT
Did either Mugabe or Smith serve, or even try to join the RAF...?
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