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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 18:36:48 GMT
You mean calling out racist views for what they are is an attempt to silence you? I see no signs of the closet racists around here being silenced. How many times in the past have we heard people say "I'm not racist but....." followed by a whole load of racist drivel? You see, racists like to deny the fact of their racism even to themselves, and resent being called out for it, perceiving this as an attempt to silence them. It is not. If it were it is a dismal failure because the racist gobs out there never do shut up, they just take offence at being seen for what they are especially if in denial themselves. Calling racists out on their racism is basically just an exercise in calling a spade a spade. The problem as always is that racist views are as defined by those calling them out. Again we have 'closet racists' which means there is no evidence they are racist other than a subjective opinion. Redefining racism is just another trick in the largely still packed knapsack of privilege now granted to everyone except those defined as racist which is broadly all white people. This is beyond a joke. Absolute rubbish!! No one is defining "all white people" as racist except in your imagination. Except possibly a tiny minority of extremists whom no one takes seriously. That some white people -and black people and Asian people - are racists though is undeniable. And some adhere to racist tropes and racist modes of thought because such thinking has been normalised for most of their lives and they are too old to change their minds now. We see this all over this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 18:37:48 GMT
Well you have a well known racist as an avatar (cue predictable comments about my Hitler-looking cat avatar, lol)
Don't be a prat, Shreiky.
I usually leave that to you. You do an excellent job of it.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 2, 2023 18:40:26 GMT
The problem as always is that racist views are as defined by those calling them out. Again we have 'closet racists' which means there is no evidence they are racist other than a subjective opinion. Redefining racism is just another trick in the largely still packed knapsack of privilege now granted to everyone except those defined as racist which is broadly all white people. This is beyond a joke. Absolute rubbish!! No one is defining "all white people" as racist except in your imagination. Except possibly a tiny minority of extremists whom no one takes seriously. That some white people -and black people and Asian people - are racists though is undeniable. And some adhere to racist tropes and racist modes of thought because such thinking has been normalised for most of their lives and they are too old to change their minds now. We see this all over this forum.If you see anyone being racist please fell free to report it.
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Post by Handyman on Feb 2, 2023 19:10:12 GMT
Unconscious racism is racist assumptions so deeply ingrained that you take them for granted without even thinking about them, thus being racist without being consciously aware of it. But you oldies around here, who laughed at such comedies as Love Thy Neighbour and Mind Your Language, who laughed at Bernard Manning, and who saw the black and white minstrels as good family viewing, wouldn't even get the concept of unconscious racism because you are steeped in it. That's all true. And it was gradually sinking further beneath the surface until the Brexit campaigns appeared to legitimise anti foreigner sentiment, and Ukip provided a decent home for the Tunbridge Wells blue rinses and Col Blimps who harboured secret BNP sympathies... In that your unconscious bias telling you that ? or your imagination ? best guess perhaps?, BNP ? not enough of them these days to fill the back room of a pub
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 19:16:50 GMT
Absolute rubbish!! No one is defining "all white people" as racist except in your imagination. Except possibly a tiny minority of extremists whom no one takes seriously. That some white people -and black people and Asian people - are racists though is undeniable. And some adhere to racist tropes and racist modes of thought because such thinking has been normalised for most of their lives and they are too old to change their minds now. We see this all over this forum.If you see anyone being racist please fell free to report it. You would be one of those most likely to refuse to see it as such. So I wouldn't waste my time reporting anything but an utterly irrefutable example, eg use of the n word. And even the more intellectually challenged members around here are unlikely to be quite as stupid as that. It's all dog whistle stuff. And with all the abuse and insults and trolling flying around this place unchecked - in which I myself have gone native and now respond in kind to the worst offenders - I do actually see little evidence of active moderation around here, and thus see little point in reporting anything.
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Post by Orac on Feb 2, 2023 19:30:31 GMT
The board is being moderated
I remember a Tales Of The Unexpected in which a psychopath psychologist kept people captive in a house by training them to avoid laser traps, which he later removed. Everyone was free to leave, but no-one even tried.
Think of the moderation like that lol
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Post by patman post on Feb 2, 2023 19:44:31 GMT
That's all true. And it was gradually sinking further beneath the surface until the Brexit campaigns appeared to legitimise anti foreigner sentiment, and Ukip provided a decent home for the Tunbridge Wells blue rinses and Col Blimps who harboured secret BNP sympathies... In that your unconscious bias telling you that ? or your imagination ? best guess perhaps?, BNP ? not enough of them these days to fill the back room of a pub BNP sympathies don’t require physical space, just appropriate minds. Don’t forget, Griffin and his cronies were the precursors to Ukip in Brussels before clowns became Leavers favourite speakers…
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Post by Handyman on Feb 2, 2023 20:05:54 GMT
In that your unconscious bias telling you that ? or your imagination ? best guess perhaps?, BNP ? not enough of them these days to fill the back room of a pub BNP sympathies don’t require physical space, just appropriate minds. Don’t forget, Griffin and his cronies were the precursors to Ukip in Brussels before clowns became Leavers favourite speakers… The BNP had little enough following years ago never mind now , the far left far outnumbered them back then and still do, Brexit happened because the majority of the voters wanted that to happen , each individual voter made their own personal decision on that simple yes or no answer, its called democracy in action, you are not making and rational sense on UKIP and Clowns
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Post by sandypine on Feb 2, 2023 20:10:34 GMT
The problem as always is that racist views are as defined by those calling them out. Again we have 'closet racists' which means there is no evidence they are racist other than a subjective opinion. Redefining racism is just another trick in the largely still packed knapsack of privilege now granted to everyone except those defined as racist which is broadly all white people. This is beyond a joke. Absolute rubbish!! No one is defining "all white people" as racist except in your imagination. Except possibly a tiny minority of extremists whom no one takes seriously. That some white people -and black people and Asian people - are racists though is undeniable. And some adhere to racist tropes and racist modes of thought because such thinking has been normalised for most of their lives and they are too old to change their minds now. We see this all over this forum. Many are defining white people as either racist or incapable of being anything other than racist due to their 'privilege', 'fragility', 'power' or 'guilt' and they are given much space to promote that view. Here is just one www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/elena-guthrie/racism-white-privilege_b_18147778.htmlWhere the question asked is 'are all white people racist' and the answer given is yes. What are racist tropes and racist modes and if they are 'of thought' how do you know?
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Post by sandypine on Feb 2, 2023 20:21:38 GMT
In that your unconscious bias telling you that ? or your imagination ? best guess perhaps?, BNP ? not enough of them these days to fill the back room of a pub BNP sympathies don’t require physical space, just appropriate minds. Don’t forget, Griffin and his cronies were the precursors to Ukip in Brussels before clowns became Leavers favourite speakers… BNP sympathies did not require appropriate minds what they required was successive governments ignoring the clearly stated wishes of the electorate and were only effectively countered when governments started talking about a tens of thousands limiting figure on immigration. Once again that was cast to the four winds on the assumption of power.
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Post by Orac on Feb 2, 2023 20:27:33 GMT
The whole conversation became quite hysterical some decades ago and never really recovered equilibrium. The particular question of the the racism of white people has been examined in tedious (ands apparently never ending) detail - with new adjuncts and libraries added every few years
However, the simple fact is the vast majority of people on planet earth are racist and so the question really is , why all this specific focus on the potential racism of one group in particular? My best guess at an answer is that it is a grift and making white people feel they should continually apologise for their existence is part of the grift
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 20:28:44 GMT
Absolute rubbish!! No one is defining "all white people" as racist except in your imagination. Except possibly a tiny minority of extremists whom no one takes seriously. That some white people -and black people and Asian people - are racists though is undeniable. And some adhere to racist tropes and racist modes of thought because such thinking has been normalised for most of their lives and they are too old to change their minds now. We see this all over this forum. Many are defining white people as either racist or incapable of being anything other than racist due to their 'privilege', 'fragility', 'power' or 'guilt' and they are given much space to promote that view. Here is just one www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/elena-guthrie/racism-white-privilege_b_18147778.htmlWhere the question asked is 'are all white people racist' and the answer given is yes. What are racist tropes and racist modes and if they are 'of thought' how do you know? Well there are extremists which all you dog whistling types like to cite as a justification for your own racist rants. Racist tropes are racially motivated assumptions, eg black people are less intelligent or more intrinsically criminally minded as something integral to their race. And we see the thought processes in play when closet or subconscious racists attempt to argue their case, frequently citing such things as being racially determined rather than societally or economically determined. The unspoken assumption is that black people do less well not because of racial discrimination, greater economic disadvantage, or suchlike but because black people are racially inferior. Though very few have the guts to spell that out explicitly. Though it is the very obvious assumption driving their thinking.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 2, 2023 20:54:37 GMT
Many are defining white people as either racist or incapable of being anything other than racist due to their 'privilege', 'fragility', 'power' or 'guilt' and they are given much space to promote that view. Here is just one www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/elena-guthrie/racism-white-privilege_b_18147778.htmlWhere the question asked is 'are all white people racist' and the answer given is yes. What are racist tropes and racist modes and if they are 'of thought' how do you know? Well there are extremists which all you dog whistling types like to cite as a justification for your own racist rants. Racist tropes are racially motivated assumptions, eg black people are less intelligent or more intrinsically criminally minded as something integral to their race. And we see the thought processes in play when closet or subconscious racists attempt to argue their case, frequently citing such things as being racially determined rather than societally or economically determined. The unspoken assumption is that black people do less well not because of racial discrimination, greater economic disadvantage, or suchlike but because black people are racially inferior. Though very few have the guts to spell that out explicitly. Though it is the very obvious assumption driving their thinking. The point of course is the publication(s) within which these views are expressed. You say that racially motivated assumptions are made as regards races. Many of these are based on many years of data and refer to averages, which many on the left seem unable to grasp that an average is not an indication of all. The supporters of diversity, and it is official government policy to support diversity, point to the differences in race as being a positive thing for businesses as different races and cultures bring different ways of operating and looking at things. So officially races and cultures are intrinsically different as a point of fact. Differences have good and bad points and that is also an uncomfortable fact. On average black men run faster than white men, that is an undeniable fact and that is seen at the extreme end of top runners who are mostly black. That is the way the world is, trying to deny it is useless. What you have to do is only, and I mean only, consider people on their individual merits. If that works out badly for some races, as it does for white runners, then that is just the way it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 21:47:07 GMT
Well there are extremists which all you dog whistling types like to cite as a justification for your own racist rants. Racist tropes are racially motivated assumptions, eg black people are less intelligent or more intrinsically criminally minded as something integral to their race. And we see the thought processes in play when closet or subconscious racists attempt to argue their case, frequently citing such things as being racially determined rather than societally or economically determined. The unspoken assumption is that black people do less well not because of racial discrimination, greater economic disadvantage, or suchlike but because black people are racially inferior. Though very few have the guts to spell that out explicitly. Though it is the very obvious assumption driving their thinking. The point of course is the publication(s) within which these views are expressed. You say that racially motivated assumptions are made as regards races. Many of these are based on many years of data and refer to averages, which many on the left seem unable to grasp that an average is not an indication of all. The supporters of diversity, and it is official government policy to support diversity, point to the differences in race as being a positive thing for businesses as different races and cultures bring different ways of operating and looking at things. So officially races and cultures are intrinsically different as a point of fact. Differences have good and bad points and that is also an uncomfortable fact. On average black men run faster than white men, that is an undeniable fact and that is seen at the extreme end of top runners who are mostly black. That is the way the world is, trying to deny it is useless. What you have to do is only, and I mean only, consider people on their individual merits. If that works out badly for some races, as it does for white runners, then that is just the way it is. This has a vein of racist assumption running right through it from the start, that certain races do less well than others in society not because of discrimination, or educational disadvantages, or economic ones, but because they are racially inferior. You yourself are deploying a standard racist trope of a kind all too familiar. That black men might on average be marginally faster runners is neither here nor there. The difference is marginal. The average white athlete could easily outrun the vast majority of black people. To go further than that and imply that racial characteristics lay behind the comparative failure of certain racial groups to do well in large numbers, rather than discriminatory, economic, educational, or societal factors is tantamount to blaming failure on racial inferiority. If you cannot see that you are thus indulging in a racist trope yourself, then that is your problem. Your fellow racists here will back you of course, even though you and possibly some of them will refuse to acknowledge your racism. Non racists will see the racist trope you are using for what it is. Genetic differences between races are so marginal that they do not and cannot of themselves explain gross ethnic inequalities.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 2, 2023 22:29:29 GMT
If you see anyone being racist please fell free to report it. You would be one of those most likely to refuse to see it as such. So I wouldn't waste my time reporting anything but an utterly irrefutable example, eg use of the n word. And even the more intellectually challenged members around here are unlikely to be quite as stupid as that. It's all dog whistle stuff. And with all the abuse and insults and trolling flying around this place unchecked - in which I myself have gone native and now respond in kind to the worst offenders - I do actually see little evidence of active moderation around here, and thus see little point in reporting anything. Well that is an almighty cop-out - you dont bother reporting racism because the moderators are racist. Of course that makes it very easy to claim that this place is a hot-bed of racism without having to point out any actual examples. You are a fraud..
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