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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2023 11:58:13 GMT
Oh sorry - you have jumped back to talking about Brexit and not the protocol. whats the problem? Brexit is not the protocol , and the protocol is not brexit.
Thats the point as i keep repeating. Brexit was a uk vote , and northern ireland didnt get brexit.
If you are saying they did get brexit , then why are tory brexiters so opposed to a uk wide protocol type deal?
semantic arguments on a postcard please from tory brexiter hq.
I'll let you explain to the Northern Irish why they are not still in the Single Market for Services, don't have FoM and cannot access EU funding or gain representation at Strasbourg. After all if they didn't get Brexit non of that can be happening can it?  |
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Post by thomas on Mar 6, 2023 12:02:26 GMT
whats the problem? Brexit is not the protocol , and the protocol is not brexit.
Thats the point as i keep repeating. Brexit was a uk vote , and northern ireland didnt get brexit.
If you are saying they did get brexit , then why are tory brexiters so opposed to a uk wide protocol type deal?
semantic arguments on a postcard please from tory brexiter hq.
I'll let you explain to the Northern Irish why they are not still in the Single Market for Services, don't have FoM and cannot access EU funding or gain representation at Strasbourg. After all if they didn't get Brexit non of that can be happening can it? weve been over all this mate. The northern irish have fom , citizenship eu passports and live under the protection of eu courts.
Sinn fein and everyone else is happy .Unionism isnt.
So can we get the same deal mate if its no big deal? 
I tell you pacifico , little england being rag dolled about by the eu and the internaitonal community is hilarious. What a climb down over the last seven years.
Return of the empire to begging to be let into EFTA , while trying to pull the wool over northern ireland having all the brexiter red lines. im choking here in embarressment for yese.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2023 18:23:46 GMT
I'll let you explain to the Northern Irish why they are not still in the Single Market for Services, don't have FoM and cannot access EU funding or gain representation at Strasbourg. After all if they didn't get Brexit non of that can be happening can it? weve been over all this mate. The northern irish have fom , citizenship eu passports and live under the protection of eu courts. Well thats untrue and you know it. You could have had a better deal but your representatives voted against it - although to be fair nobody ever acussed the SNP of being very bright. [/div][/quote] well at least you are getting some amusement out of shooting yourself in the foot.. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 7, 2023 8:18:40 GMT
weve been over all this mate. The northern irish have fom , citizenship eu passports and live under the protection of eu courts. Well thats untrue and you know it. You could have had a better deal but your representatives voted against it - although to be fair nobody ever acussed the SNP of being very bright. [/div][/quote] well at least you are getting some amusement out of shooting yourself in the foot.. [/quote] [/div]
It is true mate, have a look back in my previous posts where i have categorically showed you where northern irish british citizens have european citizenship passports and fom as well as europan courts jurisdiction. All you do is ignore fact and evidence , and carry on repeating the same lies and spin in hope none of your own voting base understand how you have sold northern ireland down the river.
meanwhile , the anger against sunaks deal continues to rise......
They know they've been sold a donkey. They're trying to get it up to at least a mule!'
GB News Northern Ireland Reporter Dougie Beattie tells Alastair Stewart of the political reaction following Rishi Sunak's new Windsor Framework Brexit deal.
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Post by thomas on Mar 7, 2023 8:22:04 GMT
Meanwhile business groups in the uk want the same access to the eu that northern ireland has......you couldnt make this stuff up.....
well maybe you could.  |
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Post by thomas on Mar 7, 2023 8:28:00 GMT
weve been over all this mate. The northern irish have fom , citizenship eu passports and live under the protection of eu courts. Well thats untrue and you know it. You could have had a better deal but your representatives voted against it - although to be fair nobody ever acussed the SNP of being very bright. [/div][/quote] well at least you are getting some amusement out of shooting yourself in the foot.. [/quote] [/div]
TUV analyse ‘government spin vs legal reality’ on Windsor Framework deal
The TUV has launched a social media publication which breaks down what it claims are contrasts between the UK Government spin and legal reality of the new deal.
NI’s economy and trade remain under foreign EU law, overseen by their foreign court. Commission President was clear: the ECJ remains “the sole and ultimate arbiter of EU law”.
The Irish Sea border stays, with HMG spending tens of million to strengthen its infrastructure. Northern Ireland remains wholly within the orbit and control of the EU’s Customs Code. The effect is that EU territory starts at our sea border and GB is treated as a foreign/third country
Jim Allister commented: “Sadly, this deal does not recover the EU’s ill-gotten sovereignty over Northern Ireland. So, for anyone whose goal is to strengthen, not weaken, the union with GB, this is a deal which falls far short.
BRINO
Jim Allister
@jimallister
Any unionist who accepts the Windsor deal is accepting NI will never return to being a full part of the U.K.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 7, 2023 8:43:05 GMT
It is true mate, have a look back in my previous posts where i have categorically showed you where northern irish british citizens have european citizenship passports and fom as well as europan courts jurisdiction. Oh do stop lying... |
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Post by thomas on Mar 7, 2023 8:47:28 GMT
It is true mate, have a look back in my previous posts where i have categorically showed you where northern irish british citizens have european citizenship passports and fom as well as europan courts jurisdiction. Oh do stop lying...
Your denial is getting embarressing now pacifico...
Rule treating all the people of Northern Ireland as EU citizens comes into effect
All Northern Ireland born British and Irish citizens will be treated as European Union citizens for immigration purposes
The rule change that will see all British and Irish citizens born in Northern Ireland be treated as European Union citizens for immigration purposes has officially come into force. This is a significant change that sets the people of Northern Ireland apart from the rest of the UK, in now being able to access more favourable family reunion rights.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 7, 2023 12:02:26 GMT
We're out of the EU, get used to it and stop posting shite.
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Post by thomas on Mar 7, 2023 16:57:15 GMT
We're out of the EU, get used to it and stop posting shite.
Northern ireland certainly isnt.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 7, 2023 18:28:57 GMT
Oh do stop lying...
Your denial is getting embarressing now pacifico...
Rule treating all the people of Northern Ireland as EU citizens comes into effect
All Northern Ireland born British and Irish citizens will be treated as European Union citizens for immigration purposes
The rule change that will see all British and Irish citizens born in Northern Ireland be treated as European Union citizens for immigration purposes has officially come into force. This is a significant change that sets the people of Northern Ireland apart from the rest of the UK, in now being able to access more favourable family reunion rights.
FFS - that is for immigration into the UK  |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 7, 2023 19:02:17 GMT
Northern Ireland certainly is out of the EU.
It is not part of the customs union, the common agricultural policy, the common fisheries policy or even the fourth railway package.
You really do walk into these things Thomas and your arguments are stupid.
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 11:13:55 GMT
Your denial is getting embarressing now pacifico...
Rule treating all the people of Northern Ireland as EU citizens comes into effect
All Northern Ireland born British and Irish citizens will be treated as European Union citizens for immigration purposes
The rule change that will see all British and Irish citizens born in Northern Ireland be treated as European Union citizens for immigration purposes has officially come into force. This is a significant change that sets the people of Northern Ireland apart from the rest of the UK, in now being able to access more favourable family reunion rights.
FFS - that is for immigration into the UK Clearly you dont have a clue what you are talking about. Emma de souza is a british born citizen of northern ireland , from derry. She is married to a yank. She is not an immigrant to the uk.
She found herself at the centre of a legal battle when the uk home office rejected a residence card for her yank husband.
They then appealed the decision , as any eu citizen can have their family member with them , which the uk home office turned down as they said emma was british.
This was further appealed while invoking the GFA , which allows the uk citizens of northern ireland to identify as british irish or both , and therefore confers eu citizenship as the article makes clear.
The point is it was a climbdown for the uk government , a win for emma and her husband and of course further cemented eu citizenship rights in northern irleand , which you at first denied , then obfusticated , or tried to downplay.
Let me repeat my points to you.
Brexit is subservient to the GFA in northern ireland. Ie , for all intents and purposes , northern ireland doesnt have brexit.
The northern irish as we are discussing have eu citizenship rights ....which you denied. You denied ,obfusticated it or downplayed it becuase you cant accept a brexiter red line has been smashed in northern ireland.
Not just irish citizens living there , which is misleading as it gives the impression people from the republic. British born citizens from northern ireland , who can hold both british and irish passports , ie , the whole 6 county popualtion , have eu citizenship rights.
I mean at least show a bit of honesty and integrity and bow out accepting the points made to you. This lying obfustication and downplaying is exactly why in my opinion the tide is turning massively against brexit and brexiters. People can clearly see the mess you have left , the backtracking and denial .
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 11:17:41 GMT
Northern Ireland certainly is out of the EU. It is not part of the customs union, the common agricultural policy, the common fisheries policy or even the fourth railway package. You really do walk into these things Thomas and your arguments are stupid. They have eu citizenship rights , and come under european courts jurisdiction for example as i keep saying.
We all know brexit was a big blank piece of paper that could mean anything brexiters wanted , but at least be honest and say ending eu citizenship and european courts jurisdiction......"taking back control" ...was in part what brexit was all about and brexiters red lines that must be ended.
That hasnt happened in the 6 country part of the uk.
Trying to sell free movment of sausages btween the 6 countyr part of the uk , and the rest doesnt cut it with most sensible people.
I repeat , if northern ireland has brexit , and you are happy with that brexit , then surely the rest of us in the yookay can have the same brexit?
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Post by Vinny on Mar 8, 2023 11:35:04 GMT
Nope they have Common Travel Area rights. Big difference. You have Common Travel Area rights. If you wanted you could fuck off to Ireland and live there under the CTA agreement (and so could I if I wanted, I really don't). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area |
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