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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 13:19:18 GMT
All 1.8 million uk citizens of northern ireland have the same eu citizen rights as the people of the republic of ireland LOL- no they do not  Northern Ireland remains in the single market for goods. However the EU single market rests on 'four freedoms': free movement of goods, capital, services, and people. So compared to EU Citizens, UK citizens in NI do not have 3 of the constituent 'rights' of the single market. please see many of my earlier posts on this subject which address your latest diversion.....
just pre empting your reply to remind you we agree all norn irish citizens , wether british irish or both , have the right to eu citizenship as explained previously...
The UK's withdrawal from the EU gave rise to concerns for people living in Northern Ireland about what it might mean for their rights and entitlements.
Throughout the negotiations, the government prioritised the protection of the Good Friday Agreement in all its parts, including the rights and citizenship provisions which are central to it. This is reflected in the Withdrawal Agreement and in the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland.
It is also important to note:
Irish citizens continue to have EU citizenship wherever they live. They continue to enjoy the right to travel and live and work anywhere in the EU and the right not to be discriminated against on the grounds of nationality. Irish citizens do not need to take any action to protect their EU citizenship.
Neither Irish citizens nor British citizens are required to take any action to protect their status and rights associated with the Common Travel Area.
Further, through the Protocol, the UK has confirmed its commitment to ensure no diminution of the rights, safeguards and equality of opportunity set out in the Good Friday Agreement.
Lets summarise. If you are born in northern ireland, and hold british , irish or both passports , you are entitled through being irish to EU citizenship and all rights and priveleges associated with it .
The uk government through the various protocols enshrine those eu citizenship rights on the people of norn ireland........
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Post by Vinny on Mar 9, 2023 13:27:25 GMT
Nope the EU and Ireland give Irish people EU citizenship.
CTA always gave NI people the rights to Irish citizenship and Irish people UK citizenship.
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 13:37:24 GMT
CTA always gave NI people the rights to Irish citizenship i think you are getting muddled up once more vincent. You mean the GFA dont you of course?
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Post by Vinny on Mar 9, 2023 13:46:33 GMT
My name isn't Vincent it isn't even Vinny.
Vinny is just an online username.
And I mean the Common Travel Area agreement which has been in place since 1923.
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 15:20:08 GMT
And I mean the Common Travel Area agreement which has been in place since 1923. It has. The CTA is a travel agreement between two sovereign states.
The GFA allows northern irish people born in the 6 county uk part to acces irish and eu passports and citizenship along with all their rights , which the protocol upholds.
like i said vincent , i think you are getting all muddled up.
The CTA doesnt allow norn irish eu citizenship and passports which is what we are talking about , otherwise i would have eu citizenship and passports through it too.........
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Post by Vinny on Mar 9, 2023 16:01:55 GMT
Vinny is just a username, my real name is quite different.
And your arguments are bollocks.
Northern Ireland is no longer part of the EU.
UK EU citizenship rescinded.
CTA applies. EU FOM does not.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 9, 2023 17:48:39 GMT
Lets summarise. If you are born in northern ireland, and hold british , irish or both passports , you are entitled through being irish to EU citizenship and all rights and priveleges associated with it . The uk government through the various protocols enshrine those eu citizenship rights on the people of norn ireland........
Good god - how many times are we going to go over this - the people of NI have always had the right to become Irish citizens. Absolutely nothing to to do with Brexit, the Protocol or Sunaks deal. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 9, 2023 17:52:52 GMT
And I mean the Common Travel Area agreement which has been in place since 1923. It has. The CTA is a travel agreement between two sovereign states.
The GFA allows northern irish people born in the 6 county uk part to acces irish and eu passports and citizenship along with all their rights , which the protocol upholds.
like i said vincent , i think you are getting all muddled up.
The CTA doesnt allow norn irish eu citizenship and passports which is what we are talking about , otherwise i would have eu citizenship and passports through it too.........
Nope - the Law allowing people in the North to become Irish citizens is the 1956 Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act. Absolutely nothing to do with the GFA or the EU. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 8:38:40 GMT
Lets summarise. If you are born in northern ireland, and hold british , irish or both passports , you are entitled through being irish to EU citizenship and all rights and priveleges associated with it . The uk government through the various protocols enshrine those eu citizenship rights on the people of norn ireland........
Good god - how many times are we going to go over this - the people of NI have always had the right to become Irish citizens. Absolutely nothing to to do with Brexit, the Protocol or Sunaks deal. and people who hold both irish and british passports............whcih entitles them to eu citizenship and all rights pertaining to that......somethng you deny one minute , then admit the next while throiwn in the latest diversion.
Its to do with the GFA , which as explained many times now overrides brexit , and is why northern ireland dont have brexit .
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 9:30:07 GMT
It has. The CTA is a travel agreement between two sovereign states.
The GFA allows northern irish people born in the 6 county uk part to acces irish and eu passports and citizenship along with all their rights , which the protocol upholds.
like i said vincent , i think you are getting all muddled up.
The CTA doesnt allow norn irish eu citizenship and passports which is what we are talking about , otherwise i would have eu citizenship and passports through it too.........
Nope - the Law allowing people in the North to become Irish citizens is the 1956 Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act. Absolutely nothing to do with the GFA or the EU. You are citing a foreign governments nationality law , from 1956 , who not only wanted to provoke your country , but affirm ireland as one nation through nationality legislation , which stormont and unionism in general rejected ?
The depths brexiters will lower themselves to to avoid admitting they are wrong.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 10, 2023 12:21:43 GMT
Good god - how many times are we going to go over this - the people of NI have always had the right to become Irish citizens. Absolutely nothing to to do with Brexit, the Protocol or Sunaks deal. and people who hold both irish and british passports............whcih entitles them to eu citizenship and all rights pertaining to that......somethng you deny one minute , then admit the next while throiwn in the latest diversion.
Its to do with the GFA , which as explained many times now overrides brexit , and is why northern ireland dont have brexit .
Of course if someone is a citizen of a foreign country they are going to have different rights to citizens of this country - is this really news to you? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 10, 2023 12:26:05 GMT
Nope - the Law allowing people in the North to become Irish citizens is the 1956 Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act. Absolutely nothing to do with the GFA or the EU. You are citing a foreign governments nationality law , from 1956 , who not only wanted to provoke your country , but affirm ireland as one nation through nationality legislation , which stormont and unionism in general rejected
The depths brexiters will lower themselves to to avoid admitting they are wrong. So just to be clear - you are claiming that the 1956 Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act did not introduce the right for citizens of the UK in Northern Ireland to become citizens of Eire? - it was the GFA that gave that right? |
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 12:28:18 GMT
and people who hold both irish and british passports............whcih entitles them to eu citizenship and all rights pertaining to that......somethng you deny one minute , then admit the next while throiwn in the latest diversion.
Its to do with the GFA , which as explained many times now overrides brexit , and is why northern ireland dont have brexit .
Of course if someone is a citizen of a foreign country they are going to have different rights to citizens of this country - is this really news to you? Its obviously news to you , because you denied earlier that all 1.8 million northern irish uk citizens had the right to eu citizenship . With all rights and priviliges pertaining to that citizenship.
You know as i keep mentioning , that brexit was supposed to have stripped all uk citizens of eu citizenship etc , but didnt in norn ireland.
7 years on and we still dont have a full uk wide brexit , with all brexiter red lines established.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 10, 2023 12:46:29 GMT
Of course if someone is a citizen of a foreign country they are going to have different rights to citizens of this country - is this really news to you? Its obviously news to you , because you denied earlier that all 1.8 million northern irish uk citizens had the right to eu citizenship . With all rights and priviliges pertaining to that citizenship.
You know as i keep mentioning , that brexit was supposed to have stripped all uk citizens of eu citizenship etc , but didnt in norn ireland.
7 years on and we still dont have a full uk wide brexit , with all brexiter red lines established. God, it's like talking to a 4 year old. UK citizens in NI are not EU citizens - if they become foreign citizens then they will have other rights. I'm not sure I can make it any simpler for you. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 12:47:37 GMT
You are citing a foreign governments nationality law , from 1956 , who not only wanted to provoke your country , but affirm ireland as one nation through nationality legislation , which stormont and unionism in general rejected
The depths brexiters will lower themselves to to avoid admitting they are wrong. So just to be clear - you are claiming that the 1956 Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act did not introduce the right for citizens of the UK in Northern Ireland to become citizens of Eire? - it was the GFA that gave that right? Just to be clear. Are you arguing the 1956 irish nationality act , not the GFA , gives norn irish citizens the right to eu citizenship and all rights and priveleges pertaining to that?
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