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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 16:25:03 GMT
? Yes, I'm aware of that! I'm just wondering why you insist on going back seven years when more recent info is readily available? LOL, answers on a postcard kiddies. Because the poster clearly stated car production fell in the UK in 2016. So blaming a pandemic 3 years later is dim even by your standards. Oh dear, ZG that's not very festive. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 16:48:04 GMT
I am asking what IN PARTICULAR those ends are because frankly I don't see ANY improvement in the UK or anything in the future that the UK couldn't do when in the EU. So maybe you could compile a list too of the specific things we can now do that we couldn't do then for the benefit of the average citizen. I'll check back a bit later to see how you are getting on. Wait a minute, you're moving the goalposts. You asked what the benefits of Brexit were, I answered; sovereignty and independence. You can prevaricate all you like, but the bottom line is Brexit was about the UK leaving the EU. Nothing more, nothing less, and since we have left the EU, Brexit was obviously a success. Unless you're a remainiac, obviously. Indeed I asked what the benefits were. You gave me this now threadbare couple of buzzwords so I then asked you what the average UK citizen has or will gain from YOUR reason to leave. ( it certainly wasn't everyone's). Slogans and buzzwords aren't enough anymore. What can you or I profit from the sovereignty we now have. What are we going to do with it that we couldn't while in the EU? For example one promise was that the UK could adjust corporation tax without EU limits. Goody, we can lower corporation tax and attract inward investment. So 2 years after legal severance from the EU the Brexit government raises the tax from 17% ( it may have been 19%. I cant remember) to 25%. The average across the EU is 21% tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corporate-tax-rate?continent=europeSo how is raising UK rates going to attract investment? Wages were going to go up because there was going to be more opportunity for British em0loyees. Well those who work for the state under the Brexit government are on their knees begging to be heard and due to overwork because of lack of staff. And those who were going to fill the gap have either left, in education or retired early to look after family.0 The UK was going to be rich because out of the EU we could decide our own interest rates. Which was always a lie since the BoE adjust them largely to avoid inflation which is caused by prices of imported goods going up as well as the cost of borrowing so our sovereignty doesn't touch the causes of inflation or interest rates. There is more but I offered you the chance to list all the benefits of sovereignty. I am still waiting. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 16:50:21 GMT
They quite clearly CANNOT be controlled. It would have been easier if we still belonged to the Dublin Agreement when we could send them back cross the Channel. But you voted against that. They can be controlled if France cooperates with the UK and the UK targets the traffickers. Free access for East European EU states could not . Why on earth should France cooperate? They already did and you told them you could do it all by yourself. The UK didn't need the EU. Turns out that was a lie too.k |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 16:52:06 GMT
Any explanations ? Car manufacturing rose in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 But then fell in 2016, and then fell steep 2017 to 2020, and continues to fallIs this one of the "many advantages" of Brexit ? Easy there is a fucking world shortage of microchips......All the worlds car manufacturers are suffering with that......Is there anything else I can help you with?
There’s a shortage of microchips around the globe at the moment, and it’s having an effect on almost every industry.
The automotive sector is no exception, and car production has taken a massive hit across the world due to the lack of microchips. Why has it had such an effect, though? Read on to find out more.
But everyone else's production isn't falling. Stop blaming whatever you can find for our failure. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 28, 2023 16:54:10 GMT
? Yes, I'm aware of that! I'm just wondering why you insist on going back seven years when more recent info is readily available? LOL, answers on a postcard kiddies. Because the poster clearly stated car production fell in the UK in 2016. So blaming a pandemic 3 years later is dim even by your standards. FFS this shortage has been gong on for years...Just a little hint there was a fuck off big earthquake in Japan which set chip production back for years and then the pandemic came along as for now of course car production is lower. It's called supply and demand its only those twats who beleive in all this ECO bollocks that wants a car with a bloody sewing machine as an engine. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 28, 2023 16:55:18 GMT
They can be controlled if France cooperates with the UK and the UK targets the traffickers. Free access for East European EU states could not . Why on earth should France cooperate? They already did and you told them you could do it all by yourself. The UK didn't need the EU. Turns out that was a lie too.k I didn’t know that no one entered the UK illegally through France when we were in the EU. Have you any evidence of that ? Why shouldn’t France cooperate with a friendly country? The lie , lies with you . No one ever said that the UK didn’t need the EU. They did say that the UK would be better off outside of the EU. There is a difference . |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 28, 2023 16:57:52 GMT
Easy there is a fucking world shortage of microchips......All the worlds car manufacturers are suffering with that......Is there anything else I can help you with?
There’s a shortage of microchips around the globe at the moment, and it’s having an effect on almost every industry.
The automotive sector is no exception, and car production has taken a massive hit across the world due to the lack of microchips. Why has it had such an effect, though? Read on to find out more.
But everyone else's production isn't falling. Stop blaming whatever you can find for our failure. Total bollocks as per usual...
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 17:00:37 GMT
They quite clearly CANNOT be controlled. It would have been easier if we still belonged to the Dublin Agreement when we could send them back cross the Channel. But you voted against that. The EU state of France could easily stop the illegal invasion, but as we all know, the UK must be punished for Brexit. Are you aware that France refuses to allow migrants boats that cross the Mediterranean to land on French soil. They are litterally turned away, which is why most of them end up in Italy. But at the other end of the country France looks the other way as tens of thousands of illegals pay people smugglers and in front of French police drag dinghies down French beaches en route to Kent. Double standards? I have every confidence you will make excuses for the incompetent duplicitous French and EU authorities. Why don't you stop blaming everyone else and ask the French how they do it? We now have extra British presence on the French side of the Channel. Maybe they will ask. If channel migration decreases then you can say France didn't do enough. If it stays the same you will have to ask why the British over there let's the migrants cross. Won't you? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 17:05:41 GMT
Why on earth should France cooperate? They already did and you told them you could do it all by yourself. The UK didn't need the EU. Turns out that was a lie too.k I didn’t know that no one entered the UK illegally through France when we were in the EU. Have you any evidence of that ? Why shouldn’t France cooperate with a friendly country? The lie , lies with you . No one ever said that the UK didn’t need the EU. They did say that the UK would be better off outside of the EU. There is a difference . One...the 7K and France had an agreement to allow the UK to send cross channel migrants back to France. It was under ÷EU law. Leavers voted to trash it. And do stop conveniently lying. The mantra of the EU needing the UK more than the UK needs the EU and the EU would collapse in xxx years and the UK would lead the way to its breakup whoopee 2ascall over the idiot Murdoch tabloid press. Quoted and inflated for years. Another lie. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 17:07:58 GMT
But everyone else's production isn't falling. Stop blaming whatever you can find for our failure. Total bollocks as per usual...
I KNOW there is or was a chip shortage. Bit it was the same for ALL car manufacturers and their production didn't fall like ours did. Repeating a really poor excuse does not make it better. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 28, 2023 17:09:10 GMT
Total bollocks as per usual...
I KNOW there is or was a chip shortage. Bit it was the same for ALL car manufacturers and their production didn't fall like ours did.Repeating a really poor excuse does not make it better. Total BOLLOCKS |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 17:09:43 GMT
Wait a minute, you're moving the goalposts. You asked what the benefits of Brexit were, I answered; sovereignty and independence. You can prevaricate all you like, but the bottom line is Brexit was about the UK leaving the EU. Nothing more, nothing less, and since we have left the EU, Brexit was obviously a success. Unless you're a remainiac, obviously. Indeed I asked what the benefits were. You gave me this now threadbare couple of buzzwords so I then asked you what the average UK citizen has or will gain from YOUR reason to leave. ( it certainly wasn't everyone's). Slogans and buzzwords aren't enough anymore. What can you or I profit from the sovereignty we now have. What are we going to do with it that we couldn't while in the EU? For example one promise was that the UK could adjust corporation tax without EU limits. Goody, we can lower corporation tax and attract inward investment. So 2 years after legal severance from the EU the Brexit government raises the tax from 17% ( it may have been 19%. I cant remember) to 25%. The average across the EU is 21% tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corporate-tax-rate?continent=europeSo how is raising UK rates going to attract investment? Wages were going to go up because there was going to be more opportunity for British em0loyees. Well those who work for the state under the Brexit government are on their knees begging to be heard and due to overwork because of lack of staff. And those who were going to fill the gap have either left, in education or retired early to look after family.0 The UK was going to be rich because out of the EU we could decide our own interest rates. Which was always a lie since the BoE adjust them largely to avoid inflation which is caused by prices of imported goods going up as well as the cost of borrowing so our sovereignty doesn't touch the causes of inflation or interest rates. There is more but I offered you the chance to list all the benefits of sovereignty. I am still waiting. Mmmm, I didn't think it would be this difficult. Oracle, Brexit had one purpose, it was designed to do one thing. To get the UK out of the EU. Sovereignty and independence aren't slogans or buzzwords, although I understand why a federalist €urophile would sneer. The benefits of being a sovereign and independent country must be obvious, even to you. The government no longer have to accept and adopt EU regulations, directives and diktats. Brexit means the UK is governed, for better or worse, from Westminster by politicians the British electorate vote for, and can vote out. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 17:11:36 GMT
They quite clearly CANNOT be controlled. It would have been easier if we still belonged to the Dublin Agreement when we could send them back cross the Channel. But you voted against that. Well in the real world we ended up with more asylum seekers being sent to the UK under the Dublin Agreement - no wonder the EU was so keen on it. Personally I was never that keen on being the EU's dumping ground. Are you seriously trying to sell the idea that there were more asylum seekers crossing the channel before 2016 than now?? Please dont insult the British public. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 17:13:56 GMT
Indeed I asked what the benefits were. You gave me this now threadbare couple of buzzwords so I then asked you what the average UK citizen has or will gain from YOUR reason to leave. ( it certainly wasn't everyone's). Slogans and buzzwords aren't enough anymore. What can you or I profit from the sovereignty we now have. What are we going to do with it that we couldn't while in the EU? For example one promise was that the UK could adjust corporation tax without EU limits. Goody, we can lower corporation tax and attract inward investment. So 2 years after legal severance from the EU the Brexit government raises the tax from 17% ( it may have been 19%. I cant remember) to 25%. The average across the EU is 21% tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corporate-tax-rate?continent=europeSo how is raising UK rates going to attract investment? Wages were going to go up because there was going to be more opportunity for British em0loyees. Well those who work for the state under the Brexit government are on their knees begging to be heard and due to overwork because of lack of staff. And those who were going to fill the gap have either left, in education or retired early to look after family.0 The UK was going to be rich because out of the EU we could decide our own interest rates. Which was always a lie since the BoE adjust them largely to avoid inflation which is caused by prices of imported goods going up as well as the cost of borrowing so our sovereignty doesn't touch the causes of inflation or interest rates. There is more but I offered you the chance to list all the benefits of sovereignty. I am still waiting. Mmmm, I didn't think it would be this difficult. Oracle, Brexit had one purpose, it was designed to do one thing. To get the UK out of the EU. Sovereignty and independence aren't slogans or buzzwords, although I understand why a federalist €urophile would sneer. The benefits of being a sovereign and independent country must be obvious, even to you. The government no longer have to accept and adopt EU regulations, directives and diktats. Brexit means the UK is governed, for better or worse, from Westminster by politicians the British electorate vote for, and can vote out. And I am asking you WHAT EU LEGISLATION WE NOW DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW WILL IMPROVE THE UK? |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 28, 2023 17:19:10 GMT
I didn’t know that no one entered the UK illegally through France when we were in the EU. Have you any evidence of that ? Why shouldn’t France cooperate with a friendly country? The lie , lies with you . No one ever said that the UK didn’t need the EU. They did say that the UK would be better off outside of the EU. There is a difference . One...the 7K and France had an agreement to allow the UK to send cross channel migrants back to France. It was under ÷EU law. Leavers voted to trash it. And do stop conveniently lying. The mantra of the EU needing the UK more than the UK needs the EU and the EU would collapse in xxx years and the UK would lead the way to its breakup whoopee 2ascall over the idiot Murdoch tabloid press. Quoted and inflated for years. Another lie. I’ll have to look that one up. I must admit that I’ve never heard of an agreement with France that allows the UK to send back all the illegal cross channel migrants . The mantra that you insist was reality only exists in the lies that you and other ex remainers peddle . None if this was part of the main leave narrative . |
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