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Post by zanygame on Mar 6, 2023 9:00:37 GMT
1kw = 4.3 amps ordinary extension leads are 13amps. Call yourself a scientist paah. Wrong.... Seriously, Amps = Watts/volts 1,000 watts/ 230 volts = 4.3amps. Babies are born knowing this stuff. You're just a troll. I've reported your last post, you are destroying the threads. . . 000 |
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Post by Orac on Mar 6, 2023 9:08:26 GMT
A kwh is 1kilowatt per hour. A 24kw supply can supply 24kw every second, This is wrong. A killowatt is a rate of energy transfer - ( rate of energy transfer is also called power). A killowatt is already a rate (ie over time), so adding per hour means you are talking about the amount of change in that rate Saying 'Kilowatts per hour' is bit like saying miles per hour per hour. MPH is a rate of change, so adding 'per hour' to it means you are talking about the rate change in that rate of change 24kwh is just 24kw continuously for an hour. This bit is correct. Kwh is a quantity of energy and Kw is a rate of energy transfer (energy per second) A power of 1kw operating for an hour results in the transfer 1 kwh of energy I have no idea why you find this complicated. You keep saying things about this that are wrong. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 6, 2023 9:23:04 GMT
A kwh is 1kilowatt per hour. A 24kw supply can supply 24kw every second, This is wrong. A killowatt is a rate of energy transfer - ( rate of energy transfer is also called power). A killowatt is already a rate (ie over time), so adding per hour means you are talking about the amount of change in that rate Saying 'Kilowatts per hour' is bit like saying miles per hour per hour. MPH is a rate of change, so adding 'per hour' to it means you are talking about the rate change in that rate of change 24kwh is just 24kw continuously for an hour. This bit is correct. Kwh is a quantity of energy and Kw is a rate of energy transfer (energy per second) A power of 1kw operating for an hour results in the transfer 1 kwh of energy I have no idea why you find this complicated. You keep saying things about this that are wrong. The point you are missing is that it doesn't matter that the average household uses 8kwh per day or that they use 0.3kw continuously. Its a stupid word game to distract from the fact that a terrace house has enough supply for 23kw per hour. Far more than is needed to charge a car and run a home. I have asked Besoeker several times for the significance of his corrections and only get stupid (I know better than you answers) TBH if this is the quality of debate you want then you will have no one left to debate with. And you as a mod defending the constant lying and distraction are as guilty as those doing it. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 6, 2023 9:44:41 GMT
This is wrong. A killowatt is a rate of energy transfer - ( rate of energy transfer is also called power). A killowatt is already a rate (ie over time), so adding per hour means you are talking about the amount of change in that rate Saying 'Kilowatts per hour' is bit like saying miles per hour per hour. MPH is a rate of change, so adding 'per hour' to it means you are talking about the rate change in that rate of change This bit is correct. Kwh is a quantity of energy and Kw is a rate of energy transfer (energy per second) A power of 1kw operating for an hour results in the transfer 1 kwh of energy You keep saying things about this that are wrong. The point you are missing is that it doesn't matter that the average household uses 8kwh per day or that they use 0.3kw continuously. Its a stupid word game to distract from the fact that a terrace house has enough supply for 23kw per hour. Far more than is needed to charge a car and run a home. I have asked Besoeker several times for the significance of his corrections and only get stupid (I know better than you answers) I would have a lot more sympathy if you had made a singular mistake and then modified what you were saying to avoid any confusion. But that's not what is happening. The way you use the terminology at the moment is a bit like saying "The distance from London to Birmingham is 100 mph" or "I drove at a speed of 2 miles". Obviously, you don't really mean these things, so the reader is each time forced to guess what you really mean. In this context, the term '23kw per hour' is really meaningless, so you might be talking about power or energy and we have to guess what you mean. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 6, 2023 9:56:38 GMT
Any solution to the above hitches Zany suggests is likely to involve the UK taking on a gigantic, un-repayable loan so the UK people lose all democratic autonomy. Joined up policy. What democratic autonomy? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 6, 2023 10:28:13 GMT
The point you are missing is that it doesn't matter that the average household uses 8kwh per day or that they use 0.3kw continuously. Its a stupid word game to distract from the fact that a terrace house has enough supply for 23kw per hour. Far more than is needed to charge a car and run a home. I have asked Besoeker several times for the significance of his corrections and only get stupid (I know better than you answers) I would have a lot more sympathy if you had made a singular mistake and then modified what you were saying to avoid any confusion. But that's not what is happening. The way you use the terminology at the moment is a bit like saying "The distance from London to Birmingham is 100 mph" or "I drove at a speed of 2 miles". Obviously, you don't really mean these things, so the reader is each time forced to guess what you really mean. In this context, the term '23kw per hour' is really meaningless, so you might be talking about power or energy and we have to guess what you mean. All of my posts use the same terminology An average home uses 8 to 10 kwh per day. An average home has available 23kwh . So there is no shortage of power to charge a car. Adding h on the end of kw does not change the power available. A 23kw supply can supply 23kw for a second or for an hour or for a week. It doesn't run out like a petrol tank. If a house uses an average of 8kwh per day, that is far less than is available and therefore not an argument for asking where will a terrace houe get the power to charge a car. I have tried to explain this in every possible way to no avail. If I put 8 2kw heaters on in my house for 24 hours NOTHING happens (apart from my electric bill sky rocketing) The electric doesn't run out, the main fuse doesn't blow (Yes I know I'd have to have the right MCB's RCBO's or whatever, sigh) NOTHING HAPPENS. THERE IS PLENTY OF POWER TO RUN MY HOME AND CHARGE MY CAR. Especially if I charge it at night when I'm not using much other power. Its a stupid distraction and a lie to keep implying I have somehow got it wrong, a lie you are making yourself part of. And if the mods do that you have nothing left. I supported you being a mod because although we disagree on most things I felt your conversation was at least intelligent, but if backing up those you agree with means you will stoop to this level I was wrong. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 6, 2023 10:35:42 GMT
Kw/ hr = kilowatts per hour .
Isn’t this what ZG is saying and how is it wrong ?
I’m confused.
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Post by Orac on Mar 6, 2023 10:56:42 GMT
Kw/ hr = kilowatts per hour . Isn’t this what ZG is saying and how is it wrong I’m confused. If you reading 'Kilowatts per hour' or 'Kw/hr' somewhere it is almost certainly a misprint / technical mistake - unless it is really dealing with a rate of power change. Kwh(killo watt Hour) Watts * Hours is a measure total energy. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 6, 2023 11:02:10 GMT
Kw/ hr = kilowatts per hour . Isn’t this what ZG is saying and how is it wrong I’m confused. If you reading 'Kilowatts per hour' or 'Kw/hr' somewhere it is almost certainly a misprint / technical mistake - unless it is really dealing with a rate of power change. Kwh(killo watt Hour) Watts * Hours is a measure total energy. If I put a 1 kw bar of an electric fire for an hour that bar has used 1kwh of energy , right? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 6, 2023 11:04:39 GMT
Bentley. Yes
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Post by besoeker3 on Mar 6, 2023 11:15:54 GMT
I would have a lot more sympathy if you had made a singular mistake and then modified what you were saying to avoid any confusion. But that's not what is happening. The way you use the terminology at the moment is a bit like saying "The distance from London to Birmingham is 100 mph" or "I drove at a speed of 2 miles". Obviously, you don't really mean these things, so the reader is each time forced to guess what you really mean. In this context, the term '23kw per hour' is really meaningless, so you might be talking about power or energy and we have to guess what you mean. All of my posts use the same terminology An average home uses 8 to 10 kwh per day. An average home has available 23kwh . So there is no shortage of power to charge a car. Adding h on the end of kw does not change the power available. A 23kw supply can supply 23kw for a second or for an hour or for a week. It doesn't run out like a petrol tank. If a house uses an average of 8kwh per day, that is far less than is available and therefore not an argument for asking where will a terrace houe get the power to charge a car. I have tried to explain this in every possible way to no avail. If I put 8 2kw heaters on in my house for 24 hours NOTHING happens (apart from my electric bill sky rocketing) The electric doesn't run out, the main fuse doesn't blow (Yes I know I'd have to have the right MCB's RCBO's or whatever, sigh) NOTHING HAPPENS. THERE IS PLENTY OF POWER TO RUN MY HOME AND CHARGE MY CAR. Especially if I charge it at night when I'm not using much other power. Its a stupid distraction and a lie to keep implying I have somehow got it wrong, a lie you are making yourself part of. And if the mods do that you have nothing left. I supported you being a mod because although we disagree on most things I felt your conversation was at least intelligent, but if backing up those you agree with means you will stoop to this level I was wrong. You are missing the point - again. The UK has an energy deficit. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Mar 6, 2023 11:21:43 GMT
I have asked Besoeker several times for the significance of his corrections and only get stupid (I know better than you answers) TBH if this is the quality of debate you want then you will have no one left to debate with. And you as a mod defending the constant lying and distraction are as guilty as those doing it. No corrections on my part, chum. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 6, 2023 12:37:18 GMT
Seriously, Amps = Watts/volts 1,000 watts/ 230 volts = 4.3amps. Babies are born knowing this stuff. You're just a troll. I've reported your last post, you are destroying the threads. . . 000 Anyone with the common sense of gnat knows that you cannor charge an EV using a household extension cable. To reach a maximum charge on an EV you require at least 50 amps or better. I suppose you have never had to wrestle with the anaconda that resisdes behind your cooker and that is only rated at 15 Amps. The barest minimum of cable required to carry 50 Amps would have to be 16.5 mm ± 0.3 mm.....Even some of the charging stations in the few we have do not push that kind of power, hence they will not fully charge an EV....You claim that I am a troll but it is you that is destroying thereads Ignorance can be excused but belligerent self induced insanity cannot not.....Carry on if you want to make a total idiot of yourself in front of the forum why should I care. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 6, 2023 12:42:05 GMT
This is wrong. A killowatt is a rate of energy transfer - ( rate of energy transfer is also called power). A killowatt is already a rate (ie over time), so adding per hour means you are talking about the amount of change in that rate Saying 'Kilowatts per hour' is bit like saying miles per hour per hour. MPH is a rate of change, so adding 'per hour' to it means you are talking about the rate change in that rate of change This bit is correct. Kwh is a quantity of energy and Kw is a rate of energy transfer (energy per second) A power of 1kw operating for an hour results in the transfer 1 kwh of energy You keep saying things about this that are wrong. The point you are missing is that it doesn't matter that the average household uses 8kwh per day or that they use 0.3kw continuously. Its a stupid word game to distract from the fact that a terrace house has enough supply for 23kw per hour. Far more than is needed to charge a car and run a home. I have asked Besoeker several times for the significance of his corrections and only get stupid (I know better than you answers) TBH if this is the quality of debate you want then you will have no one left to debate with. And you as a mod defending the constant lying and distraction are as guilty as those doing it. There is no terrace house in the land that has access to that kind of current. Unless of course they have a charger on their drive about the same size as a standard fridge. Haven't seen many of those around so I wonder why? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 6, 2023 12:46:49 GMT
I have asked Besoeker several times for the significance of his corrections and only get stupid (I know better than you answers) TBH if this is the quality of debate you want then you will have no one left to debate with. And you as a mod defending the constant lying and distraction are as guilty as those doing it. No corrections on my part, chum. If this idiot thinks he could put the kind of amperage required through a standard househiold exstension cable whith that current it would glow brighter than his total lack of knowlege on the subjet. And if he never fully unwound the extstension lead it would act as a choke and he would just reduce it to one solid molten mass. |
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