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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 16:29:31 GMT
What would you like me to do with them? They are all about the need to recycle lithium batteries safely, I am not against that in any way So...? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 5, 2023 16:37:41 GMT
What would you like me to do with them? They are all about the need to recycle lithium batteries safely, I am not against that in any way So... The statiscics are frightening for those who think litheum can be recycled. Or they should be. Less than 5% of content contained in these batteries are extracted by recycling and none of that 5% contains litheum. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 16:45:02 GMT
I did answer this, I always try and answer if I can. I said Q:How are you going to connect the electricity from your terraced house A: Either with a boom over the pavement or a cable cover on the pavement Q: How much energy will that require? A: how much energy will what require? Do you mean to install a boom or do you mean to charge the car? I have never ignored it. See how its done Jonsky? No dodging or claiming this or that, just pleasant answers. I think that the boom idea is illegal. Apart from anything else your EV needs power cables, not telephone wires. Same with cable covers. These would need to be armoured so fairly bulky. And very costly. And who will install them and reel them when not in use. out when they are required. The boom idea has been approved in various European countries, so the problem is not insurmountable. Same with cable covers (I think its the cover that's armoured rather than the cable, these are used in many places already. The car owner would have then installed. The car owner would swing them in and out (These are bizarre questions) Most houses are fitted with a 100 amp supply. A supply capable of safely giving 24kw every hour. The fact that you only use an average of 8kwh per day is meaningless. Plug an electric car in over night and you use 6kwh in the day and 6kwh at night. Is your concern that we don't have enough power stations for this? Or do you think the cables don't work as well at night? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 16:48:31 GMT
What would you like me to do with them? They are all about the need to recycle lithium batteries safely, I am not against that in any way So... The statiscics are frightening for those who think litheum can be recycled. Or they should be. Less than 5% of content contained in these batteries are extracted by recycling and none of that 5% contains litheum. Yesterdays news ^^ The recovery of valuable elements such as Li, Co, and Ni from spent lithium-ion batteries is essential for environmental protection and energy conservation. However, the inadequate recovery efficiency of lithium by traditional methods hinders the development of this industry. Thus, a sustainable and efficient approach for the selective extraction of lithium from spent batteries by a carboxyl-functionalized ionic liquid (carboxymethyl trimethylammonium bis(trifluoromethyl)sulfonimide) to increase the recovery efficiency of lithium was designed and developed in this work. By appropriately adjusting and controlling the parameters including the pH value, extractant concentration, and phase ratio, the selective extraction of lithium was optimized with excellent selectivity and recovery efficiency. After optimization, the lithium extraction efficiency reached 96.8%. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 5, 2023 17:00:20 GMT
The statiscics are frightening for those who think litheum can be recycled. Or they should be. Less than 5% of content contained in these batteries are extracted by recycling and none of that 5% contains litheum. Yesterdays news ^^ The recovery of valuable elements such as Li, Co, and Ni from spent lithium-ion batteries is essential for environmental protection and energy conservation. However, the inadequate recovery efficiency of lithium by traditional methods hinders the development of this industry. Thus, a sustainable and efficient approach for the selective extraction of lithium from spent batteries by a carboxyl-functionalized ionic liquid (carboxymethyl trimethylammonium bis(trifluoromethyl)sulfonimide) to increase the recovery efficiency of lithium was designed and developed in this work. By appropriately adjusting and controlling the parameters including the pH value, extractant concentration, and phase ratio, the selective extraction of lithium was optimized with excellent selectivity and recovery efficiency. After optimization, the lithium extraction efficiency reached 96.8%. Far from yesterdays news. This should be a bloody major concern those who try and makeout that they care for the enviroment. So far not 1% of litheum or cobalt has been extracted from these ticking timebombs. And you still have failed to address the ECO damage caused by cobalt extraction and mining. And yet you claim to care for the enviroment what a strange warped logic you portray. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 5, 2023 17:06:13 GMT
I would love to see an EV attempt this...
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 18:18:29 GMT
Yesterdays news ^^ The recovery of valuable elements such as Li, Co, and Ni from spent lithium-ion batteries is essential for environmental protection and energy conservation. However, the inadequate recovery efficiency of lithium by traditional methods hinders the development of this industry. Thus, a sustainable and efficient approach for the selective extraction of lithium from spent batteries by a carboxyl-functionalized ionic liquid (carboxymethyl trimethylammonium bis(trifluoromethyl)sulfonimide) to increase the recovery efficiency of lithium was designed and developed in this work. By appropriately adjusting and controlling the parameters including the pH value, extractant concentration, and phase ratio, the selective extraction of lithium was optimized with excellent selectivity and recovery efficiency. After optimization, the lithium extraction efficiency reached 96.8%. Far from yesterdays news. This should be a bloody major concern those who try and makeout that they care for the enviroment. So far not 1% of litheum or cobalt has been extracted from these ticking timebombs. And you still have failed to address the ECO damage caused by cobalt extraction and mining. And yet you claim to care for the enviroment what a strange warped logic you portray. Don't be absurd, they are not ticking time bombs. A dead lithium battery does nothing at all. It is the attempt at extracting lithium that cause fires. And as i linked new methods are being tested as we speak (Good old science) I have addressed the environmental damage from cobalt and lithium mining twice now, I will add it to my stuck record answers. My answer was that: While open mining for cobalt harms the local environment (Just as does oil extraction, coal extraction, copper extraction etc etc ad infinitum) this local environmental damage is far less critical than the global damage being done by increased AGW. Do you care about anything? You'll notice I've stopped asking you about the 12million tons of EV batteries you said were dumped, we both know you made that up and you have made no attempt to prove different, so I've moved on. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Mar 5, 2023 18:24:01 GMT
I think that the boom idea is illegal. Apart from anything else your EV needs power cables, not telephone wires. Same with cable covers. These would need to be armoured so fairly bulky. And very costly. And who will install them and reel them when not in use. out when they are required. The boom idea has been approved in various European countries, so the problem is not insurmountable. Same with cable covers (I think its the cover that's armoured rather than the cable, these are used in many places already. The car owner would have then installed. The car owner would swing them in and out (These are bizarre questions) Most houses are fitted with a 100 amp supply. A supply capable of safely giving 24kw every hour. The fact that you only use an average of 8kwh per day is meaningless. Plug an electric car in over night and you use 6kwh in the day and 6kwh at night. Is your concern that we don't have enough power stations for this? Or do you think the cables don't work as well at night? It isn't meaningless. The average terrace residence is 8 kWh. Note kWh, not kW. Your EV would double that. It is double your energy bill. You don't seem to grasp that. And the cables have to be armoured. Then think about trip hazard. And one other thing, a trivial point I know, but a 100A supply these days nominally 230V, not 240V. Do we have enough power stations? More to the point we don't have enough energy. We, UK, have a deficit. We have to import it from other countries. More EVs, more deficit. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Mar 5, 2023 18:39:25 GMT
More information
"Not all homes are suitable for a home charger right now. It's important that you have off street parking so we can connect the charger to your electricity supply so it's likely you'll need to live in a property with a drive or garage."
A bit of a problem if you live in a terrace. Even more so if you are in a flat.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 18:44:27 GMT
I would love to see an EV attempt this...
Why not? Faster acceleration in an EV and other than that it was just a good strong pickup truck suspension system. You are a scientist aren't you? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 5, 2023 18:48:37 GMT
The boom idea has been approved in various European countries, so the problem is not insurmountable. Same with cable covers (I think its the cover that's armoured rather than the cable, these are used in many places already. The car owner would have then installed. The car owner would swing them in and out (These are bizarre questions) Most houses are fitted with a 100 amp supply. A supply capable of safely giving 24kw every hour. The fact that you only use an average of 8kwh per day is meaningless. Plug an electric car in over night and you use 6kwh in the day and 6kwh at night. Is your concern that we don't have enough power stations for this? Or do you think the cables don't work as well at night? It isn't meaningless. The average terrace residence is 8 kWh. Note kWh, not kW. Your EV would double that. It is double your energy bill. You don't seem to grasp that. And the cables have to be armoured. Then think about trip hazard. And one other thing, a trivial point I know, but a 100A supply these days nominally 230V, not 240V. Do we have enough power stations? More to the point we don't have enough energy. We, UK, have a deficit. We have to import it from other countries. More EVs, more deficit. I'm sure the answer will be that we can buy electricityt from countries that are also overloaded with the demand imposed by their own EV programme. Maybe that's why two countries have stuck two fingers up to the EU, knowing that it will force up the prioce of electricity. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 18:54:18 GMT
The boom idea has been approved in various European countries, so the problem is not insurmountable. Same with cable covers (I think its the cover that's armoured rather than the cable, these are used in many places already. The car owner would have then installed. The car owner would swing them in and out (These are bizarre questions) Most houses are fitted with a 100 amp supply. A supply capable of safely giving 24kw every hour. The fact that you only use an average of 8kwh per day is meaningless. Plug an electric car in over night and you use 6kwh in the day and 6kwh at night. Is your concern that we don't have enough power stations for this? Or do you think the cables don't work as well at night? It isn't meaningless. The average terrace residence is 8 kWh. Note kWh, not kW. Your EV would double that. It is double your energy bill. You don't seem to grasp that. And the cables have to be armoured. Then think about trip hazard. And one other thing, a trivial point I know, but a 100A supply these days nominally 230V, not 240V. A kwh is 1kilowatt per hour. A 24kw supply can supply 24kw every second, 24kwh is just 24kw continuously for an hour. (23kw if you prefer, changes nothing) I have no idea why you find this complicated. Yes of course charging your car will increase your energy bill as will filling it up with petrol.  This is a cable cover, they already exist, they are widely used, they do not present a trip hazard, they do not require armoured cable inside them. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2023 18:54:35 GMT
I would love to see an EV attempt this...
I would love to see a real truck attempt it..  |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2023 18:59:04 GMT
It isn't meaningless. The average terrace residence is 8 kWh. Note kWh, not kW. Your EV would double that. It is double your energy bill. You don't seem to grasp that. And the cables have to be armoured. Then think about trip hazard. And one other thing, a trivial point I know, but a 100A supply these days nominally 230V, not 240V. A kwh is 1kilowatt per hour. A 24kw supply can supply 24kw every second, 24kwh is just 24kw continuously for an hour. (23kw if you prefer, changes nothing) I have no idea why you find this complicated. Yes of course charging your car will increase your energy bill as will filling it up with petrol. This is a cable cover, they already exist, they are widely used, they do not present a trip hazard, they do not require armoured cable inside them. Who is liable if someone trips and breaks their leg? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 19:04:57 GMT
At last a decent question.
The UK currently imports around 10% of its energy. Nothing wrong with that we import 46% of our food without concern.
However as demand rises across Europe from EV charging this will become a challenge.
Energy usage has been dropping year on year since about 1980 due to low energy products and this will continue. So dealing with the shortfall involves a multi strategy response.
I have mentioned a few things like smart energy, overnight charging when supply is the same but demand lower, etc. Its quite interesting reading, but I'm pretty certain you are not that interested in the answers.
Pacifico highlighted the idea of drawing back unused energy from EV batteries, but this is more to do with smoothing out supply and demand as e move towards more renewables, rather than filling any shortfalls.
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