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Post by besoeker3 on Feb 23, 2023 10:18:18 GMT
well thats no different to parking in the local car park and using the public chargers in there - you still end up paying commercial charging rates. the fluff about EV's is that you can charge them on cheap energy from home - except for much of the country (mainly the poorer part) that is technically impossible. Couple of things. One was that the idea is your permit is for outside your home. Two that charging costs will be reasonable. However as the number of cars grows so will the competition to sell charging and the price will fall. So how do you propose to charge your EV at home if you just have your public road to park on? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2023 14:12:43 GMT
Hands up, those who are NOT turned on....
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 23, 2023 18:13:57 GMT
My mate in Dubai had one of those - nice motor although his was a disgusting shade of fluorescent green  |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 23, 2023 18:31:40 GMT
But change is the only way forward, so if all you have is criticism and more of the same you get left behind. If you are meeting massive resistance there might be a very good reason for it. I find it hard to believe you really take the above notion seriously - ie progress involves change, therefore anyone who is against (critcises) the changes I want is against progress
There's always a reason, the smoking ban met huge resistance, everything from 'freedom of choice' to 'All the pubs will go bankrupt. and never a mention of the expected vast falls in cancer emphysema and heart disease etc that followed. Same again when they banned coal burning in cities. Always the naysayers are there predicting failure and catastrophe. What you have to listen to is the facts, not just the noise. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2023 18:36:07 GMT
All you are saying here is "I am right and so criticism can be ignored and naysayers pushed aside"
Shrug?
This is the attitude I accuse you of and you repeatedly deny
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Post by Toreador on Feb 23, 2023 18:47:46 GMT
If you are meeting massive resistance there might be a very good reason for it. I find it hard to believe you really take the above notion seriously - ie progress involves change, therefore anyone who is against (critcises) the changes I want is against progress
There's always a reason, the smoking ban met huge resistance, everything from 'freedom of choice' to 'All the pubs will go bankrupt. and never a mention of the expected vast falls in cancer emphysema and heart disease etc that followed. Same again when they banned coal burning in cities. Always the naysayers are there predicting failure and catastrophe. What you have to listen to is the facts, not just the noise. Many pubs have gone and are still going bankrupt; tell us the unequivocal facts. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 23, 2023 18:54:14 GMT
Couple of things. One was that the idea is your permit is for outside your home. Two that charging costs will be reasonable. However as the number of cars grows so will the competition to sell charging and the price will fall. So how do you propose to charge your EV at home if you just have your public road to park on? I don't have an exact answer to every scenario you throw up. In this case it would depend on the road. For instance if the public road allows parking outside your home then either these  Or one of these  |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 23, 2023 19:01:38 GMT
All you are saying here is "I am right and so criticism can be ignored and naysayers pushed aside" Shrug? This is the attitude I accuse you of and you repeatedly deny No I'm not, I'm saying your objections are either minor or invented, atleast the ones you have put forward so far. Further they take no account of the other side of the argument that change is necessary to stop climate change. So what about your attitude eh? The ones where you dismiss anyone who thinks climate change is a serious matter as a raving eco leftie. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2023 19:36:52 GMT
Zany, all you have done is rephrase your position.
"My preferences are necessary and so your objections can be ignored and, if necessary, you can be forced to comply" You just used slightly softer language.
My position is that the preservation of civilisation is our top priority and people like yourself seem determined to flush it down the toilet because you can't engage in proper, adult thinking / prioritisation.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 23, 2023 20:03:09 GMT
Zany, all you have done is rephrase your position. "My preferences are necessary and so your objections can be ignored and, if necessary, you can be forced to comply" You just used slightly softer language. My position is that the preservation of civilisation is our top priority and people like yourself seem determined to flush it down the toilet because you can't engage in proper, adult thinking / prioritisation. Rinse repeat. You think we preserve civilisation by ignoring AGW I don't. Move on. I note you totally ignored my point back at you. Enough. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2023 20:12:06 GMT
Zany, all you have done is rephrase your position. "My preferences are necessary and so your objections can be ignored and, if necessary, you can be forced to comply" You just used slightly softer language. My position is that the preservation of civilisation is our top priority and people like yourself seem determined to flush it down the toilet because you can't engage in proper, adult thinking / prioritisation. Rinse repeat. You think we preserve civilisation by ignoring AGW I don't. Move on. A strawman. I don't think it is necessary to ignore the environment to preserve civilisation, I just think it needs to be put in proper context against that priority. For instance, your fixation on reforms that are angled to inflict widescale pain and impoverishment rather than provide any significant benefit are good example of getting thing out of perspective. Just because it sticks one to groups you politically dislike (British working people etc) doesn't mean it is a good reform. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 23, 2023 20:31:43 GMT
Rinse repeat. You think we preserve civilisation by ignoring AGW I don't. Move on. A strawman. I don't think it is necessary to ignore the environment to preserve civilisation, I just think it needs to be put in proper context against that priority. For instance, your fixation on reforms that are angled to inflict widescale pain and impoverishment rather than provide any significant benefit are good example of getting thing out of perspective. Just because it sticks one to groups you politically dislike (British working people etc) doesn't mean it is a good reform. I have read this but chose not to bother to answer. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 23, 2023 21:12:43 GMT
So how do you propose to charge your EV at home if you just have your public road to park on? I don't have an exact answer to every scenario you throw up. In this case it would depend on the road. For instance if the public road allows parking outside your home then either these Or one of these I'm looking at the last photo where the cars are parked on the pavement. In London that is banned and it's likely to be banned across England. In my village most of the roads are to narrow to tolerate on road only parking without causing driving hazards. In many country small towns it's often the same. Even on the main thoroughfare deliver vehicles can block the road if someone is parked on the other side. In many cases, it would be rather silly to stop pavement parking unless you want the shops empty, otherwise it's back to the drawing board. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2023 22:12:58 GMT
A strawman. I don't think it is necessary to ignore the environment to preserve civilisation, I just think it needs to be put in proper context against that priority. For instance, your fixation on reforms that are angled to inflict widescale pain and impoverishment rather than provide any significant benefit are good example of getting thing out of perspective. Just because it sticks one to groups you politically dislike (British working people etc) doesn't mean it is a good reform. I have read this but chose not to bother to answer. Try to imagine working people reciprocating in kind here - imagine if they got together and decided to fuck up your life on a flimsy pretext - say saving the alligator, or something. You see how quickly and easily civilisation slips from our fingers? It only needs a bit of dishonesty , and poof, it's gone. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Feb 24, 2023 11:33:25 GMT
So how do you propose to charge your EV at home if you just have your public road to park on? I don't have an exact answer to every scenario you throw up. In this case it would depend on the road. For instance if the public road allows parking outside your home then either these But it doesn't. There are quite a few problems you haven't addressed. |
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