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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2023 16:11:43 GMT
If you wish to welsh on your debts then so be it. We dont have any debt. Its westminsters. That is an undeniable fact announced by george osbourne in 2014. Salmond told you repeatedly , its horse trading......no monetary union , no debt share. Simples.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 29, 2023 16:33:14 GMT
If you wish to welsh on your debts then so be it. But, I don't think a discredited and probably bankrupt Scotland would meet much enthusiasm with the foreigners you so admire. But all this is academic, you all can froth and bellow as much as you like, Westminster has told you that you are going nowhere, so you just have to swallow it, however irksome you find it. You mentioned Scottish currency earlier, and the regrettable fact that business's in England won't accept them as legal tender, why is that do you imagine? and do you suppose that this will change after Separation, your new Scotchmark will be equally valueless I suspect. Rubbish. I've never had trouble spending Scottish bank notes. In fact they are legal tender and they have to be accepted. |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 29, 2023 16:43:18 GMT
If you wish to welsh on your debts then so be it. We dont have any debt. Its westminsters. That is an undeniable fact announced by george osbourne in 2014. Salmond told you repeatedly , its horse trading......no monetary union , no debt share. Simples.
Personally think that is dreamland. Ireland is different as I see it, they did not take part in the wars nor had representatives in Westminster. There have also been lots of Scottish cabinet ministers. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2023 17:03:35 GMT
If you wish to welsh on your debts then so be it. But, I don't think a discredited and probably bankrupt Scotland would meet much enthusiasm with the foreigners you so admire. But all this is academic, you all can froth and bellow as much as you like, Westminster has told you that you are going nowhere, so you just have to swallow it, however irksome you find it. You mentioned Scottish currency earlier, and the regrettable fact that business's in England won't accept them as legal tender, why is that do you imagine? and do you suppose that this will change after Separation, your new Scotchmark will be equally valueless I suspect. Rubbish. I've never had trouble spending Scottish bank notes. In fact they are legal tender and they have to be accepted. Thanks monte for helping educate our friend om. Where else can he go on a daily basis to become informed for free?
We really are to good to him.
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2023 17:10:17 GMT
We dont have any debt. Its westminsters. That is an undeniable fact announced by george osbourne in 2014. Salmond told you repeatedly , its horse trading......no monetary union , no debt share. Simples.
Personally think that is dreamland. Ireland is different as I see it, they did not take part in the wars nor had representatives in Westminster. There have also been lots of Scottish cabinet ministers. Eh?
There were a quarter of a million irish soldiers serving in the first world war , and tens of thousands served unofficially in the second.
From 1801 to 1918 , the irish had 105 representatives in the commons , and evern today since partition maintain representatives there from the unionist side.
Ireland as a country , has been part of the Angevin/English and british empire for 8 centuries twice as long as scotland has been part of it.
Arthur wellesly , famous for being in command at waterloo , was also irish born in dublin and famously served as prime minister.
George osbourne from memory is part of the old anglo irish aristrocracy with lands on the emerald isle.
Ireland when it left didnt take a penny of english debt. You may be able to negotiate , but you cant force any country to take any of the collosul debt your parliament has run up.
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Post by om15 on Jan 29, 2023 17:20:54 GMT
Of course not, you are quite correct. Nor of course will the UK part with any assets the debts have paid for.
But as we have agreed, it is all academic and pointless to discuss.
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2023 17:31:17 GMT
Of course not, you are quite correct. thank you. Happy to help you and bancroft.
Well this was the problem last time around wasnt it? Scotland was entitled to a share of the bank of england , which despite its name was the bank of the uk , and the right to print pounds , and westmsinter said no .
So salmond said no debt share then , and the rest is history.
Personally i would tell them to keep their pound , and walk debt free. We could then start offering the argies our share in las malvinas , or the spanish our share in gibraltar that sort of thing.
Then start turning the water taps off , and the oil , and 62 % of the north sea gas . Two can play that game om.
Little england , of which scotland is three fifths the size , cannot feed fuel or power its popualtion without outside help. Scotland can. Many times over.
Of course by that stage , all trade deals you have with us will be conducted through the EU. ...and vice versa.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 29, 2023 17:55:35 GMT
Rubbish. I've never had trouble spending Scottish bank notes. In fact they are legal tender and they have to be accepted. Thanks monte for helping educate our friend om. Where else can he go on a daily basis to become informed for free?
We really are to good to him.
*too good to him. Everyday's a school day. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 30, 2023 8:25:14 GMT
Thanks monte for helping educate our friend om. Where else can he go on a daily basis to become informed for free?
We really are to good to him.
*too good to him. Everyday's a school day. come now monte , its a typo caused by typing on the keyboard too fast and then posting.
My english skills arent bad for a foreigner.  |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 30, 2023 10:54:28 GMT
*too good to him. Everyday's a school day. come now monte , its a typo caused by typing on the keyboard too fast and then posting.
My english skills arent bad for a foreigner. We'll work on capital letters and apostrophes in your next English lesson.  |
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Post by om15 on Jan 30, 2023 11:11:49 GMT
It certainly is. You chose to remain in the Union and didn't follow through with all your bluster, unfortunately it will be same next time.
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Post by bancroft on Jan 30, 2023 11:17:25 GMT
So salmond said no debt share then , and the rest is history.
Personally i would tell them to keep their pound , and walk debt free. We could then start offering the argies our share in las malvinas , or the spanish our share in gibraltar that sort of thing.
Then start turning the water taps off , and the oil , and 62 % of the north sea gas . Two can play that game om.
Little england , of which scotland is three fifths the size , cannot feed fuel or power its popualtion without outside help. Scotland can. Many times over.
Of course by that stage , all trade deals you have with us will be conducted through the EU. ...and vice versa.
I have Spanish in-laws and when Catalonia looked poised to break the in-laws said if they go they will never buy any product from them again. Cava was mentioned, haha. This is why it needs to be seen as being a fair departure. |
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Post by om15 on Jan 30, 2023 11:33:44 GMT
Sorry to be pedantic, but two points, I didn't say that they were not legal tender, I said that (some) businesses in England didn't accept them as legal tender, secondly, I don't think that they have to be accepted, in fact some cafes in my area refuse to accept any cash, you either pay by card or go without.
I think that it would be quite possible to broker a divorce deal between England and Scotland that would be fair and in the interests of both countries. However, I think that this would not be achievable if the SNP were involved, they have demonstrated time after time that they are prepared to cut Scotland's nose off in their hatred of the English, you will need to have professional people involved not these parochial idiots.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 30, 2023 11:52:05 GMT
Sorry to be pedantic, but two points, I didn't say that they were not legal tender, I said that (some) businesses in England didn't accept them as legal tender, secondly, I don't think that they have to be accepted, in fact some cafes in my area refuse to accept any cash, you either pay by card or go without. I think that it would be quite possible to broker a divorce deal between England and Scotland that would be fair and in the interests of both countries. However, I think that this would not be achievable if the SNP were involved, they have demonstrated time after time that they are prepared to cut Scotland's nose off in their hatred of the English, you will need to have professional people involved not these parochial idiots. You said... |
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Post by thomas on Jan 30, 2023 17:56:17 GMT
come now monte , its a typo caused by typing on the keyboard too fast and then posting.
My english skills arent bad for a foreigner. We'll work on capital letters and apostrophes in your next English lesson. see? Grammer, history, politics and language lessons. All for free!
What a great forum monte.!
Whoever said the english dont like free education was talking out his rear end. 
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