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Post by Handyman on Jan 23, 2023 21:11:08 GMT
Could be wrong but I am sure senior royals are exempt from seat belts. The royal family are not actually given a free pass when it comes to which laws they follow. While there are exceptions – for example the (late) Queen is the only person who does not need to hold a driving license to drive, nor has she ever taken a driving test – the royal family are very careful to abide by the same laws we all have to follow. There are, as with all laws, quite complicated exceptions and it seems the royals are exempt from buckling up in certain cases. These include when "a person [is] involved in a procession organised by or on behalf of the Crown or which is commonly or customarily held". It's also worth noting that normally, when royals are travelling on duty, they are surrounded by police officers or personal protection officers as part of an official motorcade, which may constitute a procession. Just done a quick Google according to a former Royalty Protection Officer the Royal don't wear seat belts on official duties in case of an attack they can bail out quicker if told to , the reigning Monarch is not subject to Laws of the land , the rest of the Royals and the rest of us are. The Monarch does not have a Passport either cannot issue one to them self  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 23, 2023 22:24:14 GMT
The reason the reigning monarch is exempt is rather heavily to do with the fact any criminal case would be Rex V Rex and thus not easily done
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Post by Handyman on Jan 24, 2023 14:36:15 GMT
The reason the reigning monarch is exempt is rather heavily to do with the fact any criminal case would be Rex V Rex and thus not easily done Exactly no UK monarch has appeared in court since Charles I in 1649, and that didn't set a happy precedent, as he was executed for high treason. . Nowadays, the Monarch is considered for legal purposes the Crown as Sovereign and as such immune to prosecution. That's the same as other heads of state, at least during their terms of office - and our Monarch holds office for life |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 24, 2023 14:44:33 GMT
Don't the police protection group recommend no seat belts for anyone at risk of attack? It's for a faster exit in case of terrorism, etc. Having said that, if he admits he did wrong, just pay up. He knows how to pay as he got fined over the partygate affair. Not the one who was in the car when Diana died. He was the only person to survive the crash and the only person wearing his seatbelt. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 24, 2023 14:54:38 GMT
You can moan all you like about poor policing but if you aren't prepared to fund the service properly you won't get the policing you demand.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 15:01:58 GMT
Don't the police protection group recommend no seat belts for anyone at risk of attack? It's for a faster exit in case of terrorism, etc. Having said that, if he admits he did wrong, just pay up. He knows how to pay as he got fined over the partygate affair. Not the one who was in the car when Diana died. He was the only person to survive the crash and the only person wearing his seatbelt. Do you know? You might be right, but do you know how irrelevant it is - as Paris is not in the UK? *rolls eyes* |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 24, 2023 15:09:59 GMT
You can moan all you like about poor policing but if you aren't prepared to fund the service properly you won't get the policing you demand. How much more money has the tax payer got to throw at the police?
"Public spending on the police service in the United Kingdom rose to 24.9 billion British pounds in 2021/22, the highest amount spent during the provided time period".
Same as the NHS
Planned spending for the Department of Health and Social Care in England is £180.2 billion in 2022/23. The majority of the Department's spending (£152.6 billion in 2022/23) is passed to NHS England and NHS Improvement for spending on health services.
It's mismanagement of both these services that need sorting out, not more tax payer cash chucked at them.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 24, 2023 15:17:03 GMT
Not the one who was in the car when Diana died. He was the only person to survive the crash and the only person wearing his seatbelt. Do you know? You might be right, but do you know how irrelevant it is - as Paris is not in the UK? *rolls eyes* I was offering it as evidence that close protection officers wouldn't tell you not to wear a seatbelt. Maybe you have evidence to show they would? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 24, 2023 15:17:26 GMT
You can moan all you like about poor policing but if you aren't prepared to fund the service properly you won't get the policing you demand. On that subject, round here the issue is some bosses and asshole top management. The local plod just collected an additional 49 recruits and they were pictured at what would have been their passing out parade. Twenty years ago when the police college was up the road they would do the course there and then hit the streets (or more likely as not the passenger seat in a patrol car) right away but the article announcing their passing out actually admits they’ve now got to be taken off to some HQ to be indoctrinated before they can be put to use. It’s not money I whinge about. It’s management demanding the force recruit woke warriors and rainbow flag wavers and hate the idea of actually recruiting thief takers capable of collaring a criminal and yelling ‘you’re fucking nicked mate’ without bursting into tears |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 24, 2023 15:20:49 GMT
You can moan all you like about poor policing but if you aren't prepared to fund the service properly you won't get the policing you demand. How much more money has the tax payer got to throw at the police?
"Public spending on the police service in the United Kingdom rose to 24.9 billion British pounds in 2021/22, the highest amount spent during the provided time period".
Same as the NHS
Planned spending for the Department of Health and Social Care in England is £180.2 billion in 2022/23. The majority of the Department's spending (£152.6 billion in 2022/23) is passed to NHS England and NHS Improvement for spending on health services.
It's mismanagement of both these services that need sorting out, not more tax payer cash chucked at them.
You can fund services properly or you can moan about them. I see you've chosen the latter. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 24, 2023 15:23:22 GMT
How much more money has the tax payer got to throw at the police?
"Public spending on the police service in the United Kingdom rose to 24.9 billion British pounds in 2021/22, the highest amount spent during the provided time period".
Same as the NHS
Planned spending for the Department of Health and Social Care in England is £180.2 billion in 2022/23. The majority of the Department's spending (£152.6 billion in 2022/23) is passed to NHS England and NHS Improvement for spending on health services.
It's mismanagement of both these services that need sorting out, not more tax payer cash chucked at them.
You can fund services properly or you can moan about them. I see you've chosen the latter. I see you've chosen to ignore how much tax payer money they already receive, and you've also chosen to ignore why they are in the state they are in, not lack of funding,but lack of management, it's generally a leftie trait that ignores the glaring obvious. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 24, 2023 19:33:44 GMT
You can fund services properly or you can moan about them. I see you've chosen the latter. I see you've chosen to ignore how much tax payer money they already receive, and you've also chosen to ignore why they are in the state they are in, not lack of funding,but lack of management, it's generally a leftie trait that ignores the glaring obvious. So you want more management do you? More desk jockeys rather than plod on the streets chasing catalytic converter thieves. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 24, 2023 19:54:53 GMT
I see you've chosen to ignore how much tax payer money they already receive, and you've also chosen to ignore why they are in the state they are in, not lack of funding,but lack of management, it's generally a leftie trait that ignores the glaring obvious. So you want more management do you? More desk jockeys rather than plod on the streets chasing catalytic converter thieves. No not 'more management', better management, there's already too much deadwood in the NHS we don't need any more.
If anything they need to get rid of bad management, too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
Getting rid of them will save the NHS, it's run by sheer incompetence.
Like the Met Police who have more criminals working for them than there are on the streets.
That is down to management, who is suppose to be vetting these coppers?, that has nothing to do with funding, and everything to do with incompetence within the recruitment department, no amount of money you throw at the police will solve incompetence.
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Post by Tinculin on Jan 24, 2023 21:06:29 GMT
Tinculin I disagree Not Wearing a Seat Belt is not a Criminal Offence , it is an Offence under Motor Vehicles (Wearing of Seatbelts) Regulations 1993: if you do go to Court and the Court find you guilty still no Criminal Record finding of Guilt yes The only way you get a Criminal Record is if you are arrested and taken to a Police Station , you are automatically fingerprinted , photographed and DNA taken that information is then placed on the Police National Computer. FYI, it is not within the police's power to give anyone a criminal record. You don't get a criminal record by going to a police station. Having your fingerprints or details on any police database does not mean you have a criminal record. FYI, you get a criminal record by being convicted by a court of a criminal offense. Sunak won't have a criminal record if he was issued a FPN, because his case never went to court. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 24, 2023 22:29:47 GMT
Tinculin I disagree Not Wearing a Seat Belt is not a Criminal Offence , it is an Offence under Motor Vehicles (Wearing of Seatbelts) Regulations 1993: if you do go to Court and the Court find you guilty still no Criminal Record finding of Guilt yes The only way you get a Criminal Record is if you are arrested and taken to a Police Station , you are automatically fingerprinted , photographed and DNA taken that information is then placed on the Police National Computer. FYI, it is not within the police's power to give anyone a criminal record. You don't get a criminal record by going to a police station. Having your fingerprints or details on any police database does not mean you have a criminal record. FYI, you get a criminal record by being convicted by a court of a criminal offense. Sunak won't have a criminal record if he was issued a FPN, because his case never went to court. Even had he gone to court I think that particular offence is not classed as a criminal offence. Drink driving is and I think there are other driving cases that might attract a criminal record. |
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