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Post by sword on Jan 22, 2023 12:48:28 GMT
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Post by Handyman on Jan 22, 2023 12:51:36 GMT
Tinculin
I disagree Not Wearing a Seat Belt is not a Criminal Offence , it is an Offence under Motor Vehicles (Wearing of Seatbelts) Regulations 1993: if you do go to Court and the Court find you guilty still no Criminal Record finding of Guilt yes
The only way you get a Criminal Record is if you are arrested and taken to a Police Station , you are automatically fingerprinted , photographed and DNA taken that information is then placed on the Police National Computer.
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Post by patman post on Jan 22, 2023 12:56:51 GMT
I don’t understand how the PM’s advisers (or the Police officers in the car) let this happen.
It’s not a suddenly imposed law — it’s been compulsory since 1991 and advertised on TV since before then…
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Post by Toreador on Jan 22, 2023 13:00:34 GMT
Good to see that the police in the drugs capital of the north west are on the case, now they have proved how zealous they are to enforce the law. Errm,isn't that their job? Or are you arguing that they shouldn't investigate some offences? Or just turn a blind eye because of who it is? If you or I got caught not wearing a seat belt, then we would get a FPN. Isn't that correct? Whooooooosh! |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 22, 2023 13:28:24 GMT
The good old police, always gets the motorist, useless on crime. Well, I suppose their officers are out and about raping women.
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 22, 2023 13:32:08 GMT
Good to see that the police in the drugs capital of the north west are on the case, now they have proved how zealous they are to enforce the law. Errm,isn't that their job? Or are you arguing that they shouldn't investigate some offences? Or just turn a blind eye because of who it is? If you or I got caught not wearing a seat belt, then we would get a FPN. Isn't that correct? I had my van broken into, Cumbria police never came out and just gave me a crime reference number. Burglaries often don't get investigated, and if you want to shoplift, the police won't respond if it's under a certain value. The motorist is the easy target, seal belt fines, speeding fines etc.. is just a cash cow |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 22, 2023 13:45:56 GMT
There is a huge backlog of serious criminal offences waiting to heard in our Crown Courts thousands of them due to Covid, and we read in the media day after day where suspects for murder etc being arrested and charged adding to that long list, which IMHO shows that not all Police Officers are playing with the Traffic, in fact is is rare to see Traffic Cops on patrol in my part of London
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 22, 2023 13:46:20 GMT
Errm,isn't that their job? Or are you arguing that they shouldn't investigate some offences? Or just turn a blind eye because of who it is? If you or I got caught not wearing a seat belt, then we would get a FPN. Isn't that correct? I had my van broken into, Cumbria police never came out and just gave me a crime reference number. Burglaries often don't get investigated, and if you want to shoplift, the police won't respond if it's under a certain value. The motorist is the easy target, seal belt fines, speeding fines etc.. is just a cash cow I'm sorry to hear hear that. I also agree that the motorists are easy prey too. But I don't see why you think he should have gotten away with it? I agree it's only a small issue and not really worthy of too much discussion, but I don't see why you think the law shouldn't apply to him? |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 22, 2023 13:58:39 GMT
I had my van broken into, Cumbria police never came out and just gave me a crime reference number. Burglaries often don't get investigated, and if you want to shoplift, the police won't respond if it's under a certain value. The motorist is the easy target, seal belt fines, speeding fines etc.. is just a cash cow I'm sorry to hear hear that. I also agree that the motorists are easy prey too. But I don't see why you think he should have gotten away with it? I agree it's only a small issue and not really worthy of too much discussion, but I don't see why you think the law shouldn't apply to him? If you get caught, you get caught and pay it. Never said that he should get away with it. I pay my tax to fund the police, to investigate, to police the area. I don't pay tax for them to cherry pick which crimes and offences to look at. So they don't come and investigate the break-in of my van, but I imagine I would have had umpteen cop cars and flying squad out if I shouted something racist. I favour them tracking down burglars etc.. instead of having camera speed vans and lorries on the motorway to see if other lorry drivers have a seat belt on. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 22, 2023 16:56:11 GMT
I'm sorry to hear hear that. I also agree that the motorists are easy prey too. But I don't see why you think he should have gotten away with it? I agree it's only a small issue and not really worthy of too much discussion, but I don't see why you think the law shouldn't apply to him? If you get caught, you get caught and pay it. Never said that he should get away with it. I pay my tax to fund the police, to investigate, to police the area. I don't pay tax for them to cherry pick which crimes and offences to look at. So they don't come and investigate the break-in of my van, but I imagine I would have had umpteen cop cars and flying squad out if I shouted something racist. I favour them tracking down burglars etc.. instead of having camera speed vans and lorries on the motorway to see if other lorry drivers have a seat belt on. In that case I agree with you. I thought that you were saying that that they should investigate serious crimes rather than the easy stuff, to which I think that all investigations are important. I think we are on the same page here. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 22, 2023 17:11:00 GMT
Errm,isn't that their job? Or are you arguing that they shouldn't investigate some offences? Or just turn a blind eye because of who it is? If you or I got caught not wearing a seat belt, then we would get a FPN. Isn't that correct? I had my van broken into, Cumbria police never came out and just gave me a crime reference number. Burglaries often don't get investigated, and if you want to shoplift, the police won't respond if it's under a certain value. The motorist is the easy target, seal belt fines, speeding fines etc.. is just a cash cow True.
We had the catalytic converter on our car pinched, which meant that my disabled wife was housebound for a week. Plod said dear oh dear, there was a lot of it about, they were not going to pursue it further and would we like counseling? When I said no, I wanted them to catch the villains whereby I would stand on their throats and Madam would shove one of her crutches up their backsides. And Plod said that sort of thing was illegal, although I suspect that they had a certain amount of sympathy for my point of view
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 22, 2023 17:19:04 GMT
Could be wrong but I am sure senior royals are exempt from seat belts.
The royal family are not actually given a free pass when it comes to which laws they follow. While there are exceptions – for example the (late) Queen is the only person who does not need to hold a driving license to drive, nor has she ever taken a driving test – the royal family are very careful to abide by the same laws we all have to follow.
There are, as with all laws, quite complicated exceptions and it seems the royals are exempt from buckling up in certain cases. These include when "a person [is] involved in a procession organised by or on behalf of the Crown or which is commonly or customarily held". It's also worth noting that normally, when royals are travelling on duty, they are surrounded by police officers or personal protection officers as part of an official motorcade, which may constitute a procession.
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Post by om15 on Jan 22, 2023 17:22:46 GMT
Probably if caught in Blackpool, but if we were money laundering, drug dealer, breaking and entering or ram raiding in Blackpool it is unlikely that the police would raise an eyebrow. I worked at Blackpool airport 79-80, nice enough place, but when I go back now I think that it is an awful place, mainly because the police are not bothering to do their job.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2023 5:21:29 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2023 5:23:05 GMT
I had my van broken into, Cumbria police never came out and just gave me a crime reference number. Burglaries often don't get investigated, and if you want to shoplift, the police won't respond if it's under a certain value. The motorist is the easy target, seal belt fines, speeding fines etc.. is just a cash cow I'm sorry to hear hear that. I also agree that the motorists are easy prey too. But I don't see why you think he should have gotten away with it? I agree it's only a small issue and not really worthy of too much discussion, but I don't see why you think the law shouldn't apply to him? Bcause it didn't. The onus is on the driver to make sure ALL passeners are belted up. |
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