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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 17:22:53 GMT
Blame for what? The UK is at the beginning. The remainers want us to believe that it’s the end . Not at all. They are just wondering why they should wait a generation to reinvent the wheel. Not reinvent it , just where we ride it . |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 17:24:47 GMT
Blame for what? The UK is at the beginning. The remainers want us to believe that it’s the end . For whatever this means > "but eventually the ex remainers will accept reality" <. Doesn’t make sense . Where does blame come into ex remainers accepting reality? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 19, 2023 17:28:45 GMT
I have never thought anything else. Like Starmer I disagreed with the result but rejecting democracy, even if it was a huge mistake, is worse. So we try to find the flakes of good in the mudslide. Now how about taking up my offer of pointing out what wonderful things have been achieved by the UK by leaving. Cheaper food? Moggie said shoes would be cheaper. The beaurocracy would be far less Other EU countries would stand in line to leave. Germany's car industry would collapse. The UK fishing fleets would once again control the fish in its own waters. Wages would skyrocket because the foreigners would be thrown out. Only the rich superintelligent professionals would be allowed in. Students and young people would do all the dirty jobs because it didn't do any harm to the last generation. Sovereignty hasn't protected us from EU regulation or being any more respected in NATO or scientific development. In fact our communications satellite delivery systems blow up. Our health system is pitied by other comparable countries. So now you tell me how Brexit has made this country better.
Or perhaps you could tell us how embracing democracy has made it worse?
Unemployment down. GDP up. Stock market up. The lowest paid have seen a marked improvement in pay and conditions.
Inflation - much the same as the EU. Covid fallout - much the same as the EU. Energy crisis fallout - much the same as the EU.
QED last week, our economy is more affected by world affairs that it is by the machinations of the EU.
For the vast majority, there's no discernable difference in or out. So where's this "Mudslide" disaster of yours? |
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Post by vlk on Jan 19, 2023 17:38:05 GMT
It's one thing to think that a political decision is a serious mistake.
It's another thing to hope that everything goes to shit because of that political decision you didn't agree with.
That's just pure ideological hatred.
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2023 19:03:03 GMT
For whatever this means > "but eventually the ex remainers will accept reality" <. Doesn’t make sense . Where does blame come into ex remainers accepting reality? That piece is taken from your post. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2023 19:05:53 GMT
It's one thing to think that a political decision is a serious mistake. It's another thing to hope that everything goes to shit because of that political decision you didn't agree with. That's just pure ideological hatred. Or perhaps frustration at waiting for the promised land claimed to be ever so near? |
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Post by borchester on Jan 19, 2023 19:50:03 GMT
As far as I'm aware the government had a majority. That puts them in the driving seat. But that wasn’t the case with Callaghan in 76 and is sure as hell isn’t the case in wales after that clusterfuck disaster that cost labour their majority in 2003 The majority Labour Party has for the last eight or nine years been wagged by the Marxist ultranationalist plaid. Look at every decision they’ve taken. Tourism. Business. Transport. All fucked by the cottageburners. Fact is a starmer labour minority government faced with Liberal Democrat demands to rejoin or dissolve will rejoin at any price rather than kiss the government benches goodbye With any luck the blood tests I’m now waiting for that hope to explain my one and a half stone weight loss will tell me I won’t be here to tell you I told you so. Because if that does come about I pity my grand daughters generation Talking of which, I popped into the surgery this afternoon, stood on the scales and asked a nurse to give me a reading.
Can't you read it yourself she ask?
No I replied, my belly is in the way.
I hit the usual NHS humour free zone. Drone, drone, the usual diatride about not eating anything I might enjoy and how Africans are the healthiest folk on the planet because they are starving to death.
It gave me something to think about on the way out I have to say. I could not decide on an apple strudel or chocolate mousse cake by way of an afternoon munchie.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 19, 2023 20:00:05 GMT
It's one thing to think that a political decision is a serious mistake. It's another thing to hope that everything goes to shit because of that political decision you didn't agree with. That's just pure ideological hatred. Indeed, from the old forum: "Hmmm...I have at least three years of the gloating of others in here to make up for.
It is my life's work to watch the demise of the UK. 
Because you voted for it, it shall be."Said Kim. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 19, 2023 20:40:21 GMT
But that wasn’t the case with Callaghan in 76 and is sure as hell isn’t the case in wales after that clusterfuck disaster that cost labour their majority in 2003 The majority Labour Party has for the last eight or nine years been wagged by the Marxist ultranationalist plaid. Look at every decision they’ve taken. Tourism. Business. Transport. All fucked by the cottageburners. Fact is a starmer labour minority government faced with Liberal Democrat demands to rejoin or dissolve will rejoin at any price rather than kiss the government benches goodbye With any luck the blood tests I’m now waiting for that hope to explain my one and a half stone weight loss will tell me I won’t be here to tell you I told you so. Because if that does come about I pity my grand daughters generation Talking of which, I popped into the surgery this afternoon, stood on the scales and asked a nurse to give me a reading.
Can't you read it yourself she ask?
No I replied, my belly is in the way.
I hit the usual NHS humour free zone. Drone, drone, the usual diatride about not eating anything I might enjoy and how Africans are the healthiest folk on the planet because they are starving to death.
It gave me something to think about on the way out I have to say. I could not decide on an apple strudel or chocolate mousse cake by way of an afternoon munchie.
Whereas me and the missus went into a greasy spoon ( I don't have anything meat on mine) followed by a large treacle tart each (the missus will eat min). |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 20, 2023 8:50:18 GMT
I thought leavers wanted to make it on their own and not rely on the EU. Goalposts seem to be moving. That’s probably where you went wrong . Remainers have been whining for years that leavers claimed the UK would still trade freely with the EU after leaving . How did you miss that ? From the conversations I have had across four discussion groups, those who wanted to leave promised a free trade agreement with the EU and USA, far less paperwork in both cases and the ease of making our own trade agreements with anyone we wanted. I am still waiting. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 8:52:02 GMT
Doesn’t make sense . Where does blame come into ex remainers accepting reality? That piece is taken from your post. There was no mention of blame in my post . You mentioned blame and it’s your post that doesn’t make sense . |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 8:53:45 GMT
That’s probably where you went wrong . Remainers have been whining for years that leavers claimed the UK would still trade freely with the EU after leaving . How did you miss that ? From the conversations I have had across four discussion groups, those who wanted to leave promised a free trade agreement with the EU and USA, far less paperwork in both cases and the ease of making our own trade agreements with anyone we wanted. I am still waiting. Millions of people wanted to leave . Did they all promise this? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 8:56:56 GMT
That piece is taken from your post. There was no mention of blame in my post . You mentioned blame and it’s your post that doesn’t make sense . Fair enough, maybe I read the gist of the post wrong, perhaps you would explain what you meant by that comment? |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 8:59:42 GMT
That’s probably where you went wrong . Remainers have been whining for years that leavers claimed the UK would still trade freely with the EU after leaving . How did you miss that ? From the conversations I have had across four discussion groups, those who wanted to leave promised a free trade agreement with the EU and USA, far less paperwork in both cases and the ease of making our own trade agreements with anyone we wanted. I am still waiting. Perhaaps you and those in your discussion groups need to contact the EU and the US, perhaps the cause lies there. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 9:06:07 GMT
I thought leavers wanted to make it on their own and not rely on the EU. Goalposts seem to be moving. That’s probably where you went wrong . Remainers have been whining for years that leavers claimed the UK would still trade freely with the EU after leaving . How did you miss that ? Can we have SOME REMAINERS, it is clear that not all remainers have been whining for years. If some remainers post genuine concerns, that is not whining. Your broad brush approach is part true and is part a place for over-defensive Leavers to hide. |
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