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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2023 13:08:43 GMT
Just for clarification, can you give an example where "Starmer/Davy/Sturgeon" actually held back progress on Brexit? Sturgeon
The glaringly obvious one is Sturgeon wanting to break up the UK so Scotland can rejoin the EU, I'd say that was hindering any progress, it's clear her loyalty lies with the EU.
Ed Davy
“Everyone knows we’re pro-European, we’ve never hid that.”
The Liberal Democrats have been broadly understood to have opposed Brexit, however Mr Davey failed to explain if his party would plan to undermine the European Referendum by launching a bid to rejoin the EU single market.
Starmer
He will not come right out and say 'I/the Labour party have no intentions of rejoining the EU'.
A lot of chatter by people who had no power to interfere with Brexit. Starmer openly admitted that he accepted Brexit getting on for two years ago. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 13:12:14 GMT
Sturgeon
The glaringly obvious one is Sturgeon wanting to break up the UK so Scotland can rejoin the EU, I'd say that was hindering any progress, it's clear her loyalty lies with the EU.
Ed Davy
“Everyone knows we’re pro-European, we’ve never hid that.”
The Liberal Democrats have been broadly understood to have opposed Brexit, however Mr Davey failed to explain if his party would plan to undermine the European Referendum by launching a bid to rejoin the EU single market.
Starmer
He will not come right out and say 'I/the Labour party have no intentions of rejoining the EU'.
A lot of chatter by people who had no power to interfere with Brexit. Starmer openly admitted that he accepted Brexit getting on for two years ago. That’s like accepting that the sky is blue and the moon comes out at night. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 19, 2023 13:16:44 GMT
Here you go. Mr. "Free Movement of Principles" himself. Web Apr 2, 2021 · Sir Keir Starmer finally accepts Brexit as he rules out Britain rejoining EU. Even if Starmer had decided that rejoining the EU was still on the books. Be specific, in what way could Starmer and the afore mentioned actually hold back progress? IF the UK had an answer to NI then, where is it now? I've given you a link answering your question and it was pretty self-explanatory and specific. Don't wriggle. Just accept that he was trying to 'hold back progress on Brexit'. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 19, 2023 13:22:55 GMT
Sturgeon
The glaringly obvious one is Sturgeon wanting to break up the UK so Scotland can rejoin the EU, I'd say that was hindering any progress, it's clear her loyalty lies with the EU.
Ed Davy
“Everyone knows we’re pro-European, we’ve never hid that.”
The Liberal Democrats have been broadly understood to have opposed Brexit, however Mr Davey failed to explain if his party would plan to undermine the European Referendum by launching a bid to rejoin the EU single market.
Starmer
He will not come right out and say 'I/the Labour party have no intentions of rejoining the EU'.
A lot of chatter by people who had no power to interfere with Brexit. Starmer openly admitted that he accepted Brexit getting on for two years ago. Which is irrelevant when put in the context of his actions to stall and derail it. Line him up with a few taxi full of Lib Dem’s who are ideologically hell bent on rejoining tbe EU and I wonder how long he will remain pledged to his words then ? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 19, 2023 13:32:25 GMT
Northern Ireland? Farming? Fishing? Cheese? So in other words just the problems that whizz around in your pro EUSSR head. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 19, 2023 13:35:20 GMT
I tend to agree with your post but, I expected to see some clear advantages coming our way when we left which may have, but if so I must have missed them. What I have seen is a 4 year struggle just to leave, and still not completely clear and free. The reason you are seeing those struggles is because people like Starmer/Davy/Sturgeon and remain MPs are opposing most of the benefits that progress would bring, they want 'instant'.
There is no instant, it will take years, and even longer while we have the likes of Starmer/Davy/Sturgeon constantly holding back progress.
As for being 'completely clear and free', that might never happen, simply because the EU is not our 'enemy' and the UK isn't theirs.
We will need to work together for the benefit of both the EU and UK on certain aspect, especially trade, so 'no' we will never be completely clear and free.
They will still be bitching mate when they have gone tits up……Isn’t it strange how these remaniacs never move to their beloved EUSSR? Benefits maybe. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 19, 2023 13:42:11 GMT
The reason you are seeing those struggles is because people like Starmer/Davy/Sturgeon and remain MPs are opposing most of the benefits that progress would bring, they want 'instant'.
There is no instant, it will take years, and even longer while we have the likes of Starmer/Davy/Sturgeon constantly holding back progress.
As for being 'completely clear and free', that might never happen, simply because the EU is not our 'enemy' and the UK isn't theirs.
We will need to work together for the benefit of both the EU and UK on certain aspect, especially trade, so 'no' we will never be completely clear and free.
They will still be bitching mate when they have gone tits up……Isn’t it strange how these remaniacs never move to their beloved EUSSR? Benefits maybe. Agree, and I still believe there is a cross party plot to sabotage Brexit, they just wont accept leaving their beloved EU. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2023 13:55:24 GMT
A lot of chatter by people who had no power to interfere with Brexit. Starmer openly admitted that he accepted Brexit getting on for two years ago. Which is irrelevant when put in the context of his actions to stall and derail it. Line him up with a few taxi full of Lib Dem’s who are ideologically hell bent on rejoining tbe EU and I wonder how long he will remain pledged to his words then ? As far as I'm aware the government had a majority. That puts them in the driving seat. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2023 13:56:40 GMT
They will still be bitching mate when they have gone tits up……Isn’t it strange how these remaniacs never move to their beloved EUSSR? Benefits maybe. Agree, and I still believe there is a cross party plot to sabotage Brexit, they just wont accept leaving their beloved EU. Few things create more interest and diversion than a good conspiracy theory. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 19, 2023 14:07:38 GMT
Agree, and I still believe there is a cross party plot to sabotage Brexit, they just wont accept leaving their beloved EU. Few things create more interest and diversion than a good conspiracy theory. .. and then some things are just as plain as the nose on your face. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 19, 2023 14:12:55 GMT
Which is irrelevant when put in the context of his actions to stall and derail it. Line him up with a few taxi full of Lib Dem’s who are ideologically hell bent on rejoining tbe EU and I wonder how long he will remain pledged to his words then ? As far as I'm aware the government had a majority. That puts them in the driving seat. But that wasn’t the case with Callaghan in 76 and is sure as hell isn’t the case in wales after that clusterfuck disaster that cost labour their majority in 2003 The majority Labour Party has for the last eight or nine years been wagged by the Marxist ultranationalist plaid. Look at every decision they’ve taken. Tourism. Business. Transport. All fucked by the cottageburners. Fact is a starmer labour minority government faced with Liberal Democrat demands to rejoin or dissolve will rejoin at any price rather than kiss the government benches goodbye With any luck the blood tests I’m now waiting for that hope to explain my one and a half stone weight loss will tell me I won’t be here to tell you I told you so. Because if that does come about I pity my grand daughters generation |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 14:13:43 GMT
A lot of that is tabloidesque myth making. Yes it wanted us for our money as we were a net contributor, and also for collegiate reasons as well as not wanting us to set the precedent of a member leaving, but that about it. As for any say we had, that was commensurate with the size of our nation and it's population. Not only did we have a say on that basis, we had a veto. Straight from the horses mouth ..
European Commissioners Head of task force 'Michel Barnier'
He acknowledged that Britons felt “abandoned” by the EU and were concerned, as citizens of other European nations are concerned, by EU-related issues, including uncontrolled immigration.
Talking to French journalist Jean-Sébastien Ferjou for Atlantico, Mr Barnier said that by voting for Brexit, Britons expressed a “popular feeling”.
He said: “It is a feeling of abandonment, of not being protected enough by Europe, of no longer having a future, no more proper public services, no more factories for young people, or of being subjected to uncontrolled immigration.
“These British concerns exist elsewhere in Europe and they exist in France.”
He added that “we must understand them, listen to them and respond to them”.
** There you have it ^^ even Barnier agreed.
I agree with that pretty much, none of which relates to your nonsense about us being bullied by the EU, not having a say, or rolling over like lapdogs. Thats where the tabloidesque nonsense comes in. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 19, 2023 14:22:39 GMT
Straight from the horses mouth ..
European Commissioners Head of task force 'Michel Barnier'
He acknowledged that Britons felt “abandoned” by the EU and were concerned, as citizens of other European nations are concerned, by EU-related issues, including uncontrolled immigration.
Talking to French journalist Jean-Sébastien Ferjou for Atlantico, Mr Barnier said that by voting for Brexit, Britons expressed a “popular feeling”.
He said: “It is a feeling of abandonment, of not being protected enough by Europe, of no longer having a future, no more proper public services, no more factories for young people, or of being subjected to uncontrolled immigration.
“These British concerns exist elsewhere in Europe and they exist in France.”
He added that “we must understand them, listen to them and respond to them”.
** There you have it ^^ even Barnier agreed.
I agree with that pretty much, none of which relates to your nonsense about us being bullied by the EU, not having a say, or rolling over like lapdogs. Thats where the tabloidesque nonsense comes in. I almost forgot..
"Special place in hell" for Brexiteers, says EU's Tusk
BRUSSELS - “special place in hell”, the EU’s Donald Tusk said, revealing frustration in Brussels and sparking fury among anti-EU campaigners.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 14:33:54 GMT
A lot of chatter by people who had no power to interfere with Brexit. Starmer openly admitted that he accepted Brexit getting on for two years ago. Which is irrelevant when put in the context of his actions to stall and derail it. Line him up with a few taxi full of Lib Dem’s who are ideologically hell bent on rejoining tbe EU and I wonder how long he will remain pledged to his words then ? He is not known for remaining pledged to his words. Judge him by his past actions and what these indicate he actually thinks, judge him by the company he keeps and what they think. But never take his word for anything. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 19, 2023 16:24:29 GMT
When are you all going to stop discussing any possibility of the UK rejoining the EU?. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN. Instead the UK should start to think about how to best survive outside it. Not go on endlessly repeating 6 year old arguments about why we should leave, or why it was a good idea to leave.or repeating myths about the EU. All this self justification is a complete waste of time. Now how about discussing how to make the best of a bad decision. And remember that there are two sides to agreements, and the UK needs the EU's agreement to work more closely together.
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