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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 17:07:40 GMT
No doubt many of them will, but they will in most cases get wiser as they grow older  Depressingly often I see little evidence of wisdom coming with age. There are numerous examples on this forum which tell us that.They'll be Labour supporters.  |
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Post by wapentake on Jan 20, 2023 17:10:19 GMT
That is not an excuse for not doing what we can when we can. The present energy costs in Europe is the extra incentive to go green. Going green will help the UK to become more energy independent. You lot are dangerous. Even though net-zero in the UK will have at best a negligible effect on a global level, force millions of people into fuel poverty, force industry to close/relocate, you still insist 'we must do what we can'! Incredible. The German chemical giant that is BASF have just announced they are relocating to a €10 billion mega plant in China due to rocketing 'green' energy costs in Germany. I have to believe that sooner or later someone in this country is going to wake up and ask, what the fuck are we doing? It’s not just what we are doing but what we have not done,which is secure our long term energy needs against outside influences and that’s down to lack of vision and long term planning by any of our govts over decades. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 17:10:32 GMT
Depressingly often I see little evidence of wisdom coming with age. There are numerous examples on this forum which tell us that.They'll be Labour supporters. Most of them are actually right wingers, yourself being another example. At a mere 57 I am positively youthful compared to most around here. Is this forum some kind of virtual care home? lol |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 20, 2023 17:21:53 GMT
Yet the countries that allow their own oil and gas to be extracted in quantity have lower energy prices... Nevertheless the cost of energy is based upon the international price of oil and gas so you have to question why ours is more expensive. We are being ripped off I suspect. So why are countries that are net exporters of energy paying less than the 'international price'? We are certainly being ripped off - by the lunacy of Net Zero and the ever increasing restrictions on accessing the abundant energy resources beneath our feet. You want crippling energy prices - well you have them. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 17:23:41 GMT
They'll be Labour supporters. At a mere 57 I am positively youthful compared to most around here. Is this forum some kind of virtual care home? lol I don't do party politics, I dislike them intensely. You may think that because I referred you to Reform UK I'm one of those; I gave up some time ago though they would make a change to the esatablished parties and cerainly couldn't do any worse. The fact you are only 57 does at least give you the chance of comeing round before old age sets in. Are you seeking carers allowance? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 17:26:34 GMT
You lot are dangerous. Even though net-zero in the UK will have at best a negligible effect on a global level, force millions of people into fuel poverty, force industry to close/relocate, you still insist 'we must do what we can'! Incredible. The German chemical giant that is BASF have just announced they are relocating to a €10 billion mega plant in China due to rocketing 'green' energy costs in Germany. I have to believe that sooner or later someone in this country is going to wake up and ask, what the fuck are we doing? It’s not just what we are doing but what we have not done,which is secure our long term energy needs against outside influences and that’s down to lack of vision and long term planning by any of our govts over decades. Indeed, energy policy in this country has been utterly incompetent for decades. In 2010 the government identified eight sites for new nuclear power stations. But the deputy prime minister Nick Clegg strongly opposed any new nuclear capacity claiming it wouldn't help because they wont be online until 2022. What a left wing liberal prat. The best time to build new nuclear power stations was 20 years ago, but right now is second best. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 19:25:00 GMT
Nevertheless the cost of energy is based upon the international price of oil and gas so you have to question why ours is more expensive. We are being ripped off I suspect. So why are countries that are net exporters of energy paying less than the 'international price'? We are certainly being ripped off - by the lunacy of Net Zero and the ever increasing restrictions on accessing the abundant energy resources beneath our feet. You want crippling energy prices - well you have them. The recent tripling of energy prices was not caused by a tripling of renewables, but by an enormous rise in the gas wholesale price. Countries with a far greater percentage of renewables than we do nevertheless have lower energy bills. So yes we are being ripped off but not by the cost of renewables. And are you one of these ignorant old climate change denying fools who want to keep pumping carbon into the atmosphere like theres no tomorrow? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 19:29:42 GMT
Most of them are actually right wingers, yourself being another example.At a mere 57 I am positively youthful compared to most around here. Is this forum some kind of virtual care home? lol I don't do party politics, I dislike them intensely. You may think that because I referred you to Reform UK I'm one of those; I gave up some time ago though they would make a change to the esatablished parties and cerainly couldn't do any worse. The fact you are only 57 does at least give you the chance of comeing round before old age sets in. Are you seeking carers allowance? No, my labours on this forum in a valiant but mostly unsuccessful attempt to stop the elderly from being wrong is entirely voluntary. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 19:55:54 GMT
...and not destroying the planet for future generations. Oh ffs ZG, how virtuous. Tell that to China or India or a dozen other countries who are not even remotely interested in net-zero. You don't seem to understand that even if the government switched off UK Plc and we went back to living in caves it would make not a jot of difference we are too small, our effect on a global level is at worst negligible. Meanwhile western industry continues to move to China a coal based economy, because renewable energy costs are too high in Europe. It's absolute insanity. Why virtuous instead of practical, because you say so. Hmm. In the mean time; China leads the world in solar technology and even if you think its just to satisfy demand and get rich, good. China has just bought out the first production electric car that charges in 8 minutes using Graphene technology, just to get rich? Good. You see if you believe as I do that the scientists are correct and man made global warming is destroying the planet, then it doesn't matter if Western influence makes China and India go green for all the wrong reasons, they are still going the right direction. Your video points out how the poor in India don't care about global warming, but then the poor in India don't have aircon, central heating, tons of manufactured goods or drive cars. They cook their food on open fires burning wood ( a renewable energy) . So your video friend with his witty turn lied to you about how they were polluting the planet. Same in much of South America btw. I tend to make it a policy not to take jeering people seriously. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 19:59:45 GMT
Why virtuous instead of practical, because you say so. Hmm. In the mean time; China leads the world in solar technology and even if you think its just to satisfy demand and get rich, good. China has just bought out the first production electric car that charges in 8 minutes using Graphene technology, just to get rich? Good. You see if you believe as I do that the scientists are correct and man made global warming is destroying the planet, then it doesn't matter if Western influence makes China and India go green for all the wrong reasons, they are still going the right direction. Your video points out how the poor in India don't care about global warming, but then the poor in India don't have aircon, central heating, tons of manufactured goods or drive cars. They cook their food on open fires burning wood ( a renewable energy) . So your video friend with his witty turn lied to you about how they were polluting the planet. Same in much of South America btw. I tend to make it a policy not to take jeering people seriously. You reckon the Chinese are big on solar? In 2019 the CEC (China Electricity Council) recommended to the government that new build coal fired power stations should be restricted to 2 large 5 or 6 MW plants a month for the next 12 years. That's another 288 large coal fired power stations by 2030 to add to the 1,182 they already have. And you reckon the Chinese are big on solar lol, get in the bin. That's what they want you to think. unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/28/china-new-coal-plants-2030-climate/ |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 20:01:14 GMT
Oh, and one more thing. Isn't it time the UK stopped relying on unstable third countries for its energy?
The current cost of living crises is NOT because of renewable energy, its because we rely on Russian gas.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 20:02:15 GMT
Oh, and one more thing. Isn't it time the UK stopped relying on unstable third countries for its energy? The current cost of living crises is NOT because of renewable energy, its because we rely on Russian gas.Rather than relying on our own. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 20:04:27 GMT
Why virtuous instead of practical, because you say so. Hmm. In the mean time; China leads the world in solar technology and even if you think its just to satisfy demand and get rich, good. China has just bought out the first production electric car that charges in 8 minutes using Graphene technology, just to get rich? Good. You see if you believe as I do that the scientists are correct and man made global warming is destroying the planet, then it doesn't matter if Western influence makes China and India go green for all the wrong reasons, they are still going the right direction. Your video points out how the poor in India don't care about global warming, but then the poor in India don't have aircon, central heating, tons of manufactured goods or drive cars. They cook their food on open fires burning wood ( a renewable energy) . So your video friend with his witty turn lied to you about how they were polluting the planet. Same in much of South America btw. I tend to make it a policy not to take jeering people seriously. You reckon the Chinese are big on solar? In 2019 the CEC (China Electricity Council) recommended to the government that new build coal fired power stations should be restricted to 2 large 5 or 6 MW plants a month for the next 12 years. That's another 288 large coal fired power stations by 2030 to add to the 1,182 they already have. And you reckon the Chinese are big on solar lol, get in the bin. That's what they want you to think. unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/28/china-new-coal-plants-2030-climate/I didn't say they used solar. I said they were big in developing it. They have reduced the cost of solar panels by about 80% That's great because now they are worth putting on houses and factories across the Western world, the ones that cause most of the Co2 emissions. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 20:05:40 GMT
Oh, and one more thing. Isn't it time the UK stopped relying on unstable third countries for its energy? The current cost of living crises is NOT because of renewable energy, its because we rely on Russian gas.Rather than relying on our own. Or our own renewable, either involves a cost, one is much cheaper when completed and lasts forever. (guess which one) |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 20, 2023 20:09:41 GMT
France had two nuclear issues last year - flooding and a technology breakdown (no further details).
CMEs can hit nuclear sites and destroy them perhaps a 1 in a million chance yet would you put one near a city because if there is fall-out that could be 70 square miles of territory and buildings poisoned by radiation. Imagine if one was destroyed close to London!
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