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Post by Pacifico on Jan 20, 2023 15:36:00 GMT
Which has given us our most expensive energy in history - well done that man... The price of oil and gas has done that. Yet the countries that allow their own oil and gas to be extracted in quantity have lower energy prices...
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 15:39:09 GMT
The price of oil and gas has done that. Yet the countries that allow their own oil and gas to be extracted in quantity have lower energy prices... As too do countries that don't sell off their oil and gas in order to pay for their failed ideology.
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 15:45:56 GMT
...and not destroying the planet for future generations. Oh ffs ZG, how virtuous. Tell that to China or India or a dozen other countries who are not even remotely interested in net-zero. You don't seem to understand that even if the government switched off UK Plc and we went back to living in caves it would make not a jot of difference we are too small, our effect on a global level is at worst negligible. Meanwhile western industry continues to move to China a coal based economy, because renewable energy costs are too high in Europe. It's absolute insanity. That is not an excuse for not doing what we can when we can. The present energy costs in Europe is the extra incentive to go green. Going green will help the UK to become more energy independent.
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 15:47:26 GMT
I'm not defending the new power stations being built by the Chinese, I am pointing out the obvious green direction that many countries are already investing in. And doing so because of the common sense and intelligent thinking that lays behind going Green.Which has given us our most expensive energy in history - well done that man... I think you need to rethink that post.
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 15:49:13 GMT
I'm not defending the new power stations being built by the Chinese, I am pointing out the obvious green direction that many countries are already investing in. And doing so because of the common sense and intelligent thinking that lays behind going Green. National governments and public mass hysteria, all fuelled by the conversion of the young into mass hysteria. Nah, even without the rise and fall there's no mass hysteria here
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 15:50:20 GMT
The price of oil and gas has done that. Not extracting enough oil & gas while attempting to rely on renewables has given us the most expensive energy in history. How do you work that one out ?
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 16:01:57 GMT
Oh ffs ZG, how virtuous. Tell that to China or India or a dozen other countries who are not even remotely interested in net-zero. You don't seem to understand that even if the government switched off UK Plc and we went back to living in caves it would make not a jot of difference we are too small, our effect on a global level is at worst negligible. Meanwhile western industry continues to move to China a coal based economy, because renewable energy costs are too high in Europe. It's absolute insanity. That is not an excuse for not doing what we can when we can. The present energy costs in Europe is the extra incentive to go green. Going green will help the UK to become more energy independent. You lot are dangerous. Even though net-zero in the UK will have at best a negligible effect on a global level, force millions of people into fuel poverty, force industry to close/relocate, you still insist 'we must do what we can'! Incredible. The German chemical giant that is BASF have just announced they are relocating to a €10 billion mega plant in China due to rocketing 'green' energy costs in Germany. I have to believe that sooner or later someone in this country is going to wake up and ask, what the fuck are we doing?
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 16:13:25 GMT
National governments and public mass hysteria, all fuelled by the conversion of the young into mass hysteria. Are you a climate change denialist? No but I'm not convinced of the cause as explained by eco warriors.Or do you perhaps think that we are excessively concerned about it and should have other priorities? There are definitely other priorities which the eco warriors blank out of.
Asking because I genuinely don't know and do not wish to jump to conclusions about where you stand based upon your single sentence above, which could certainly be interpreted in such a way. You interpret it which ever way you want, you'll either be right or wrong.You speak of the mass hysteria of the young but I see little sign of that. Perhaps if you opened your eyes a little more.They do though often have the good sense to take climate change more seriously than many of the older aga groups. Do you see that as a sign of hysteria? Because if so it suggests to me that you are not taking the issue seriously enough yourself. Perhaps they're more accepting of the propaganda imparted on a grand scale.It is worth bearing in mind re the passage of time that a young persons perspective is very different to an older persons. The latter may have only a decade or two left and the years are whizzing by. The former might have 60 or 70 years left which still seems like an age. And clearly longer term change is going to directly affect them much more simply because they are going to be around to suffer much more of it. They are also, as young people tend to be, more open to new information that challenges accepted wisdom, and are thus more open to the evidence for climate change. Many older people grew up largely if not wholly unaware that there was any big problem and are more resistant to the notion that there is late in life. It all seems a bit new fangled and over the top to many of them. Youngsters are educated differently to how older people were educated. Older people were well aware of the effects off industrial and domestic discharges, probably moreso than politicians; I lived through the war and smogs.
Too many young people and even some older ones haven't a clue about anything except their PC and mobile. Education standards have dropped through the floor for the past 50-odd years due to the Wilson government schools and teacher training changes.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 16:16:42 GMT
National governments and public mass hysteria, all fuelled by the conversion of the young into mass hysteria. Nah, even without the rise and fall there's no mass hysteria here That's because you are not young, in fact youngsters probably have you down somewhere between ancient, stone age and silly old fool.
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 16:20:56 GMT
That is not an excuse for not doing what we can when we can. The present energy costs in Europe is the extra incentive to go green. Going green will help the UK to become more energy independent. You lot are dangerous. Even though net-zero in the UK will have at best a negligible effect on a global level, force millions of people into fuel poverty, force industry to close/relocate, you still insist 'we must do what we can'! Incredible. The German chemical giant that is BASF have just announced they are relocating to a €10 billion mega plant in China due to rocketing 'green' energy costs in Germany. I have to believe that sooner or later someone in this country is going to wake up and ask, what the fuck are we doing? Nonsense, no government is as ridiculous as you make out. Net Zero is the eventual aim, it will not be forced on society creating the damage you claim. No government would do such a thing.
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 16:22:36 GMT
Nah, even without the rise and fall there's no mass hysteria here That's because you are not young, in fact youngsters probably have you down somewhere between ancient, stone age and silly old fool. No doubt many of them will, but they will in most cases get wiser as they grow older
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 16:28:22 GMT
You lot are dangerous. Even though net-zero in the UK will have at best a negligible effect on a global level, force millions of people into fuel poverty, force industry to close/relocate, you still insist 'we must do what we can'! Incredible. The German chemical giant that is BASF have just announced they are relocating to a €10 billion mega plant in China due to rocketing 'green' energy costs in Germany. I have to believe that sooner or later someone in this country is going to wake up and ask, what the fuck are we doing? Nonsense, no government is as ridiculous as you make out. Net Zero is the eventual aim, it will not be forced on society creating the damage you claim. No government would do such a thing. According to Starmer, if Labour are elected hitting net-zero by 2030 is an 'absolute priority'. He is as mad a Corbyn.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 16:31:18 GMT
That's because you are not young, in fact youngsters probably have you down somewhere between ancient, stone age and silly old fool. No doubt many of them will, but they will in most cases get wiser as they grow older By that time their wisdom will tell them how brainwashed they were
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 16:59:59 GMT
The price of oil and gas has done that. Yet the countries that allow their own oil and gas to be extracted in quantity have lower energy prices... Nevertheless the cost of energy is based upon the international price of oil and gas so you have to question why ours is more expensive. We are being ripped off I suspect.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 17:05:34 GMT
That's because you are not young, in fact youngsters probably have you down somewhere between ancient, stone age and silly old fool. No doubt many of them will, but they will in most cases get wiser as they grow older Depressingly often I see little evidence of wisdom coming with age. There are numerous examples on this forum which tell us that.
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