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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 23, 2023 19:07:27 GMT
I would point out that both major parties support net zero. Don't believe everything you read. Both major parties were pro EU, when it suited. Politicians will, in the end, go with public opinion. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 23, 2023 19:14:57 GMT
I would point out that both major parties support net zero. Don't believe everything you read. Both major parties were pro EU, when it suited. Politicians will, in the end, go with public opinion. I've already said they'll go where the votes are and the votes they want are those who will be 18 come the next election. Remember how Cameron encouraged 18 year olds to register to vote in the referendum. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAYyMIZNxfM |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 23, 2023 20:26:23 GMT
I would point out that both major parties support net zero. Don't believe everything you read. Both major parties were pro EU, when it suited. Politicians will, in the end, go with public opinion. Indeed, but I think public opinion is against you. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 20:37:45 GMT
Are you saying that Net Zero could trash the economy without Starmer and Co. understanding what they were doing? Yes because he wouldn't know he was doing it, Starmer is all the evidence that you don't need top be really bright to be a lawyer. He wouldn't know that Net Zero was trashing the economy, if it was. That doesn't make sense. Its not as though the economy would be trashed overnight, If it was a case of energy prices rising because of going green, it would be obvious long before it trashed the economy. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 21:12:22 GMT
I apologise to all concerned, I was unaware that the Tories had (foolishly) made Net Zero by 2050 a lawful commitment in 2019, clearly unaware of the set back to come with Covid 19.
It has been suggested (on a different thread) that net zero will not happen without a serious move into the Circular Economy, something the Tories showed very little interest in, in 2016.
It seems odd that some have pointed the finger of ridicule at Starmer over his green enthusiasm.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 23, 2023 21:27:02 GMT
I apologise to all concerned, I was unaware that the Tories had (foolishly) made Net Zero by 2050 a lawful commitment in 2019, clearly unaware of the set back to come with Covid 19. It has been suggested (on a different thread) that net zero will not happen without a serious move into the Circular Economy, something the Tories showed very little interest in, in 2016. It seems odd that some have pointed the finger of ridicule at Starmer over his green enthusiasm. I've already told you his enthusiasm is based on winning the young vote, the ones indoctrinated with socialism in the classroom and social media. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 23, 2023 21:30:30 GMT
Of course not everything is about making money.
Does the NHS trash the economy? Should we stop it?
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 22:12:24 GMT
Of course not everything is about making money. Does the NHS trash the economy? Yes Yes For someone so wedded to the EU you have a marked reluctance to follow similar policies to the rest of Europe. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 23, 2023 23:01:04 GMT
Of course not everything is about making money. Does the NHS trash the economy? Yes Yes For someone so wedded to the EU you have a marked reluctance to follow similar policies to the rest of Europe. Not really. I would be very happy with Germanies system. What you fail to recognise is that it costs even more than ours. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2023 7:47:04 GMT
Yes Yes For someone so wedded to the EU you have a marked reluctance to follow similar policies to the rest of Europe. Not really. I would be very happy with Germanies system. What you fail to recognise is that it costs even more than ours. I have never been opposed to paying for quality. Currently we spend 11.9% GDP on health and the Germans 12.8%. I'd suggest that the level of service they get for that extra 0.9% is far in exceedence to the actual cost. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 7:53:21 GMT
Not really. I would be very happy with Germanies system. What you fail to recognise is that it costs even more than ours. I have never been opposed to paying for quality. Currently we spend 11.9% GDP on health and the Germans 12.8%. I'd suggest that the level of service they get for that extra 0.9% is far in exceedence to the actual cost. Interesting. Have you any figures that support the view that their performance is better? I don't mind looking them up myself, but wondered if you have already done so. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 7:58:03 GMT
I would point out that both major parties support net zero. Don't believe everything you read. Both major parties were pro EU, when it suited. Politicians will, in the end, go with public opinion. JUst realised. If this is true you have nothing to fear from Labour getting it. They will always give the public what they want. Just as the Tories do now.😂 🤣 |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2023 8:13:39 GMT
I have never been opposed to paying for quality. Currently we spend 11.9% GDP on health and the Germans 12.8%. I'd suggest that the level of service they get for that extra 0.9% is far in exceedence to the actual cost. Interesting. Have you any figures that support the view that their performance is better? I don't mind looking them up myself, but wondered if you have already done so. Bismarck always beats Beveridge link |
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Post by see2 on Jan 24, 2023 10:09:09 GMT
I apologise to all concerned, I was unaware that the Tories had (foolishly) made Net Zero by 2050 a lawful commitment in 2019, clearly unaware of the set back to come with Covid 19. It has been suggested (on a different thread) that net zero will not happen without a serious move into the Circular Economy, something the Tories showed very little interest in, in 2016. It seems odd that some have pointed the finger of ridicule at Starmer over his green enthusiasm. I've already told you his enthusiasm is based on winning the young vote, the ones indoctrinated with socialism in the classroom and social media. That unfortunately is just your opinion, maybe given life by the Tory press, that is what they do. His enthusiasm is more likely based upon the belief that going green would create jobs and increased income. IMO, if by 2050 Net Zero has not been met and the decision is either break that law or trash the economy, that law will be broken. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 24, 2023 10:11:03 GMT
Not really. I would be very happy with Germanies system. What you fail to recognise is that it costs even more than ours. I have never been opposed to paying for quality. Currently we spend 11.9% GDP on health and the Germans 12.8%. I'd suggest that the level of service they get for that extra 0.9% is far in exceedence to the actual cost. The cream on the cake? |
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