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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 24, 2023 11:00:38 GMT
Don't believe everything you read. Both major parties were pro EU, when it suited. Politicians will, in the end, go with public opinion. Indeed, but I think public opinion is against you. If you are referring to net zero, you're wrong. It is pretty clear that support for net zero drops away rather rapidly as soon as people understand its implications which is why the true cost of net zero is being hidden. www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-we-truly-know-the-cost-of-net-zero/ |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 24, 2023 12:35:48 GMT
I've already told you his enthusiasm is based on winning the young vote, the ones indoctrinated with socialism in the classroom and social media. That unfortunately is just your opinion, maybe given life by the Tory press, that is what they do. His enthusiasm is more likely based upon the belief that going green would create jobs and increased income. IMO, if by 2050 Net Zero has not been met and the decision is either break that law or trash the economy, that law will be broken. I don't read the Tory press. That, unfortunately, is just your opinion.  Unfortunately you won't be around in 2050 otherwise I'd have bet with you. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 24, 2023 13:43:17 GMT
That unfortunately is just your opinion, maybe given life by the Tory press, that is what they do. His enthusiasm is more likely based upon the belief that going green would create jobs and increased income. IMO, if by 2050 Net Zero has not been met and the decision is either break that law or trash the economy, that law will be broken. I don't read the Tory press. That, unfortunately, is just your opinion. Unfortunately you won't be around in 2050 otherwise I'd have bet with you. I did post "maybe". Does that mean you have never read it or listened to Tory propaganda? You obviously draw your conclusions from somewhere. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 24, 2023 13:49:06 GMT
I don't read the Tory press. That, unfortunately, is just your opinion. Unfortunately you won't be around in 2050 otherwise I'd have bet with you. I did post "maybe". Does that mean you have never read it or listened to Tory propaganda? You obviously draw your conclusions from somewhere. Well I rarely watch TV news or listen to radio. I do listen to people like you and I do read links on here together with some reportage, political and non-political. However, I have told you many times I think mainstream politics and politicians are both crap and would welcome the day wghen no one turned out to vote; nowe about that bet on net zero by 2050? |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 16:29:12 GMT
Interesting. Have you any figures that support the view that their performance is better? I don't mind looking them up myself, but wondered if you have already done so. Bismarck always beats Beveridge linkThanks. Going from your figures. Average cost per person Germany. $5440.00. Satisfaction rate 836. Average cost per person UK. $3984.00. Satisfaction rate 735. Analysis: Satisfaction. 836 vs 735 UK is 88% of Germany. Cost. $5440.00 UK vs $3984.00 is 73% of Germany. Not a perfect calculation, but it could easily be assumed the the NHS could match or overtake Germany if funded equally. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 16:53:21 GMT
Indeed, but I think public opinion is against you. If you are referring to net zero, you're wrong. It is pretty clear that support for net zero drops away rather rapidly as soon as people understand its implications which is why the true cost of net zero is being hidden. www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-we-truly-know-the-cost-of-net-zero/Couldn't you find anything but an opinion piece in the incredibly right wing spectator?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 16:56:16 GMT
Wow, 84% of Ipsos respondents sat at their keyboard and had nothing better to be worried about, than a 1 degree rise in temperatures in 140 years.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 17:02:28 GMT
Wow, 84% of Ipsos respondents sat at their keyboard and had nothing better to be worried about, than a 1 degree rise in temperatures in 140 years. Not sure the poll asked if they had anything else to worry about as well. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2023 17:33:50 GMT
Bismarck always beats Beveridge linkThanks. Going from your figures. Average cost per person Germany. $5440.00. Satisfaction rate 836. Average cost per person UK. $3984.00. Satisfaction rate 735. Analysis: Satisfaction. 836 vs 735 UK is 88% of Germany. Cost. $5440.00 UK vs $3984.00 is 73% of Germany. Not a perfect calculation, but it could easily be assumed the the NHS could match or overtake Germany if funded equally. Well they are quite old figures and health spending in the UK has risen over recent years. However even as spending has risen productivity has fallen and the service has declined - so I'm not convinced about your argument that all it needs is one last heave and another 10 or 20 Billion would solve the problem. That argument is what we have had for the past 70 years - just chuck another few billion at it and all will be well.. well we tried that. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 18:27:01 GMT
Thanks. Going from your figures. Average cost per person Germany. $5440.00. Satisfaction rate 836. Average cost per person UK. $3984.00. Satisfaction rate 735. Analysis: Satisfaction. 836 vs 735 UK is 88% of Germany. Cost. $5440.00 UK vs $3984.00 is 73% of Germany. Not a perfect calculation, but it could easily be assumed the the NHS could match or overtake Germany if funded equally. Well they are quite old figures and health spending in the UK has risen over recent years. However even as spending has risen productivity has fallen and the service has declined - so I'm not convinced about your argument that all it needs is one last heave and another 10 or 20 Billion would solve the problem. That argument is what we have had for the past 70 years - just chuck another few billion at it and all will be well.. well we tried that. A 27% increase (to bring us inline with Germany )in NHS budget would be £48bn. The 2022 budget for Germany and the UK per person shows us still at 73% of Germany. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 24, 2023 18:36:57 GMT
How would you solve the falling productivity problem? - another reorganization perchance?
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 18:54:41 GMT
How would you solve the falling productivity problem? - another reorganization perchance? Not sure. How much of the problem is due to lack of funds. I know throwing money at thigs isn't always the answer, but I see things that are mind bogglingly crazy. New equipment costing millions not working properly for want of simple connection cables, not available because of budget. With nurses writing down data and then manually typing it into computers. Even madder, they are not allowed to even use their phones to photograph the data because of a risk to patient confidentiality. I'm kind of with you on this, someone at the top needs to make some decisions to spend now and save later. I cannot imagine running my business in this hand to mouth way. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 24, 2023 19:49:33 GMT
Wow, 84% of Ipsos respondents sat at their keyboard and had nothing better to be worried about, than a 1 degree rise in temperatures in 140 years. It is where the world appears to be heading that is the problem. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 24, 2023 19:55:09 GMT
Wow, 84% of Ipsos respondents sat at their keyboard and had nothing better to be worried about, than a 1 degree rise in temperatures in 140 years. It is where the world appears to be heading that is the problem. It seems a number of people still think a 1.5 degree increase in earths temperature just means it will be a little bit warmer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 20:32:56 GMT
It is where the world appears to be heading that is the problem. It seems a number of people still think a 1.5 degree increase in earths temperature just means it will be a little bit warmer. It seems that some people think that sensationalising a 1 degree rise in 140 years is profitable for their own ends. Follow the money - who is gaining from this farce? |
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