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Post by Toreador on Jan 22, 2023 23:00:24 GMT
I am not a climate denier, for Christs sake you eco mentalists don't seem to understand that the climate has always changed. I think we understand that, we also understand that the heating up of the planet has never been aided and abetted by human produced green house gasses to this extent before today. If only you could prove that. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 23:04:04 GMT
I think we understand that, we also understand that the heating up of the planet has never been aided and abetted by human produced green house gasses to this extent before today. If only you could prove that. It is self obvious, just look at the crowded motorways and roads around the world, the factories, the power stations, the rising populations and so on. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2023 23:07:13 GMT
OK, lets assume you're right and current climate change is man made. How will forcing people in this country into fuel poverty save the planet? Who suggested forcing people in this country into fuel poverty? It's already happening! Havent you heard? Millions of people in this country, the fifth wealthiest country in the world, cant afford renewable energy.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2023 23:10:38 GMT
If only you could prove that. It is self obvious, just look at the crowded motorways and roads around the world, the factories, the power stations, the rising populations and so on. Do you think people living in fuel poverty in this country will stop the Chinese building coal fired power stations? unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/28/china-new-coal-plants-2030-climate/ |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 23:16:22 GMT
Who suggested forcing people in this country into fuel poverty? It's already happening! Havent you heard? Millions of people in this country, the fifth wealthiest country in the world, cant afford renewable energy. I asked who suggested it? Is it a deliberate move by someone? Or is it partly to do with Maggie selling off OUR oil and gas? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 23:19:43 GMT
Your question is a deviation from the post you pretend to reply to. What we do in this country is for ourselves, it has nothing to do with what other countries do. All I see is your confusion over the situation. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2023 23:22:18 GMT
You are as ever prevaricating because you have no argument.
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 23:24:08 GMT
You are as ever prevaricating because you have no argument. No, you have no argument that's why you deviate. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2023 23:25:13 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jan 22, 2023 23:26:05 GMT
I’ll volunteer to answer that question. The answer is no. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2023 23:27:30 GMT
I’ll volunteer to answer that question. The answer is no. Correct. Thankyou Bentley. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 22, 2023 23:33:14 GMT
I’ll volunteer to answer that question. The answer is no. Correct. Thankyou Bentley. Of course . None of this should stop us from aiming for a zero carbon footprint but it does put it all into context. We should take a pragmatic and rational approach to reducing carbon missions , not the emotional and quasi religious zealotry that some eco worriers insist that we take. I’m pretty sure you would agree with that . |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 23:43:46 GMT
Correct, it isn't complicated it is just about a silly as one can get. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2023 23:57:25 GMT
Correct. Thankyou Bentley. Of course . None of this should stop us from aiming for a zero carbon footprint but it does put it all into context. We should take a pragmatic and rational approach to reducing carbon missions , not the emotional and quasi religious zealotry that some eco worriers insist that we take. I’m pretty sure you would agree with that . The effects of net-zero on our economy and people should not be underestimated. We havent even scratched the surface yet and already 30% of households are struggling to heat their homes. As far as renewable energy is concerned we are trying to run before we can walk just to look virtuous. ONS figures show cold weather deaths have increased in line with energy prices, but no one is talking about that, eco mentalists seem to think winter deaths are OK and that only summer deaths, which are extremely rare, are a problem. But even if we were net-zero, if our carbon footprint was zero, it wouldn't make a difference on a global level. By 2030 which is when Starmer says we must be net-zero, the big ten global polluters will still be the big ten global polluters and there is not a damned thing we in the UK can do about it, other than feel smug and freeze in our cold homes as coal based economies continue to boom. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2023 1:42:39 GMT
And you denialists dont seem to understand what the science is telling us in spades. This time we are causing the change. OK, lets assume you're right and current climate change is man made. How will forcing people in this country into fuel poverty save the planet? The UK is a tiny country that accounts for just 0.8% of the global population and who's contribution to global emissions is negligible. Forcing us into fuel poverty will not stop the big polluters, it will just make us poorer and UK Plc less competitive. The world’s biggest polluters. 1. China 2. United States 3. India 4. Russia 5. Japan 6. Germany 7. Iran 8. South Korea 9. Saudi Arabia 10. Indonesia climatetrade.com/which-countries-are-the-worlds-biggest-carbon-polluters/Can you not see the inherent idiocy in what you are saying? If every nation says we on our own can make little difference, none of us will do anything and we all fuck up the planet together. Every nation has to do its bit including us. And others wont bother if we dont. You are being so pig ignorantly short sighted |
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