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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 7:44:48 GMT
I'm pretty hopeful that most of the Western world will be close. I do think China will be on the way. Russia? No, but interestingly Russia is a huge country with a population 1% of China's, mostly its ice and nobody. But mostly I think renewables will be profitable by then so economics will take over. Countries that have millions of poor people and huge coal reserves, will continue to burn coal of that you can be sure. As Narendra Modi said, "There is no climate change".Ah, so you are another of those elderly climate change deniers. In years to come as the youth of today grow older on a ruined planet, they will curse your name and memory and piss on your grave.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 7:48:44 GMT
What is Delightful is the way some are drwn in by all this so called ECO bollocks. You do know I suppose that if the impossible of net zero ever being reached the planet would die. Why would the planet die if net zero were to be reached? I mean, what a ridiculous statement. In the long run we are more likely to do irreparable damage if as a species we don't achieve net zero.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 7:51:28 GMT
So no answer to reality then? Thanks for clearing that one up for us all. Sorry I missed the reality. I only saw some nutter claiming net zero would destroy the planet. Yes, that made me laugh too. Which is very poor form on my part. We shouldn't after all be laughing at the mentally afflicted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 7:57:53 GMT
Sorry I missed the reality. I only saw some nutter claiming net zero would destroy the planet. NET ZERO is a bloody fantasy that could never be reached, If we did acheive the impossible goal please explain how we could sustain the life of vegestastion the very essence of life for this planet? In otherwords if we lose CO2 all forests in he world would die and so would our planet. If you are coming to the table to argue your ill thought out cause, please have the decency to come to the table armed with facts and not ECO zealots brain washed bullshit. You utter fool. Net zero does not mean removing all the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, which would be disastrous if we could even do it which we cannot. Net zero simply means not adding to the carbon dioxide already there. Or simply by removing the same amount as we pump out by such things as reforestation. I think you have exposed your ignorance by clearly failing to understand what is actually meant by net zero.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 8:03:18 GMT
The recent tripling of energy prices was not caused by a tripling of renewables, but by an enormous rise in the gas wholesale price. Countries with a far greater percentage of renewables than we do nevertheless have lower energy bills. So yes we are being ripped off but not by the cost of renewables. So the Gas price rises but because we have sacrificed gas production for renewables (we are one of the largest renewable producers on the planet) our energy prices are stratospheric. You are mad if you believe that reducing our production of fossil fuels is going to bring down energy prices. Well with gas prices so high renewables are comparatively cheap. But that is not the point. The point is for us to do our bit in our species producing less fossil fuels in the interest of the stability of the climate. But then again, when it comes to climate change you are another one of those elderly flat earthers in denial, proving yet again that wisdom does not always come with age.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2023 8:20:30 GMT
So the Gas price rises but because we have sacrificed gas production for renewables (we are one of the largest renewable producers on the planet) our energy prices are stratospheric. You are mad if you believe that reducing our production of fossil fuels is going to bring down energy prices. Well with gas prices so high renewables are comparatively cheap. But that is not the point. The point is for us to do our bit in our species producing less fossil fuels in the interest of the stability of the climate. But then again, when it comes to climate change you are another one of those elderly flat earthers in denial, proving yet again that wisdom does not always come with age. Well the difference is that I am concerned with the ability of families in the UK to be able to pay their energy bills - you couldn't care less as long as you can virtue signal even though it wont make a blind bit of difference to climate change.. If that is the wisdom of age so be it
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Post by jonksy on Jan 21, 2023 8:28:26 GMT
What is Delightful is the way some are drwn in by all this so called ECO bollocks. You do know I suppose that if the impossible of net zero ever being reached the planet would die. Why would the planet die if net zero were to be reached? I mean, what a ridiculous statement. In the long run we are more likely to do irreparable damage if as a species we don't achieve net zero. You are a total waste of space mate like all the brainwashed ECO zealots. Do't bother responding to my posts if all you have is trolling.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 21, 2023 8:30:34 GMT
NET ZERO is a bloody fantasy that could never be reached, If we did acheive the impossible goal please explain how we could sustain the life of vegestastion the very essence of life for this planet? In otherwords if we lose CO2 all forests in he world would die and so would our planet. If you are coming to the table to argue your ill thought out cause, please have the decency to come to the table armed with facts and not ECO zealots brain washed bullshit. You utter fool. Net zero does not mean removing all the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, which would be disastrous if we could even do it which we cannot. Net zero simply means not adding to the carbon dioxide already there. Or simply by removing the same amount as we pump out by such things as reforestation. I think you have exposed your ignorance by clearly failing to understand what is actually meant by net zero. The only utter fool here is you. I have better things to do today than feed your trolling ego.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 8:59:50 GMT
You utter fool. Net zero does not mean removing all the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, which would be disastrous if we could even do it which we cannot. Net zero simply means not adding to the carbon dioxide already there. Or simply by removing the same amount as we pump out by such things as reforestation. I think you have exposed your ignorance by clearly failing to understand what is actually meant by net zero. The only utter fool here is you. I have better things to do today than feed your trolling ego. Banged to rights. A rabbit caught in headlights. Your ignorance exposed. And you call me a fool. Hahaha Thanks for the laugh anyway. Have you ever considered a career in stand up comedy?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 21, 2023 9:08:09 GMT
You should work on your people skills, Shrieky.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 21, 2023 9:32:31 GMT
Makes you wonder if our generation will be remembered as the most selfish ever. The most alienated from our young since the 1950's. There is indeed a growing divide between the over 60s and under 30s, the former often having little clue about how tough life is today for the latter, having themselves as a generation in large numbers voted for people who took away from future generations what they had. Your capability for talking nonsense knows no bounds, try a course on political history.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 9:44:23 GMT
There is indeed a growing divide between the over 60s and under 30s, the former often having little clue about how tough life is today for the latter, having themselves as a generation in large numbers voted for people who took away from future generations what they had. Your capability for talking nonsense knows no bounds, try a course on political history. I understand the political and social history of the UK pretty well actually, an unwelcome fact to some of those who don't like what I have to say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 9:47:47 GMT
You should work on your people skills, Shrieky. Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce to you today Mr Pot, here to argue his case that Mr Kettle is black. A round of applause please.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 21, 2023 9:57:30 GMT
I'm pretty hopeful that most of the Western world will be close. I do think China will be on the way. Russia? No, but interestingly Russia is a huge country with a population 1% of China's, mostly its ice and nobody. But mostly I think renewables will be profitable by then so economics will take over. Countries that have millions of poor people and huge coal reserves, will continue to burn coal of that you can be sure. As Narendra Modi said, "There is no climate change".Yep we agree again, but its not all or nothing. We might not be able to totally stop climate change by cutting our Co2 in the West, but we sure can make a difference. When people on you tube talk about poor countries burning coal, they imply that because coal is so dirty it makes any attempts by us pointless. But they are lying in the most devious ways. They compare India to the UK, when they should compare India to Europe. They talk of burning coal, but not HOW MUCH Co2 India produces. India burns coal for its industry but it doesn't heat millions of homes by burning gas. Its population if they own a vehicle at all have a moped, not an SUV. And if we continue on our current development of renewable we will find Asia using it, not because they care about global warming, but because its cheaper.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 21, 2023 10:03:55 GMT
So why are countries that are net exporters of energy paying less than the 'international price'? We are certainly being ripped off - by the lunacy of Net Zero and the ever increasing restrictions on accessing the abundant energy resources beneath our feet. You want crippling energy prices - well you have them. The recent tripling of energy prices was not caused by a tripling of renewables, but by an enormous rise in the gas wholesale price. Countries with a far greater percentage of renewables than we do nevertheless have lower energy bills. So yes we are being ripped off but not by the cost of renewables. And are you one of these ignorant old climate change denying fools who want to keep pumping carbon into the atmosphere like theres no tomorrow? Indeed, we need to break the link between renewable energy prices and wholesale gas prices. Or at the very least inform the public that they are paying gas prices for their renewable energy.
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