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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 22:12:35 GMT
To clarify my position. I think that even when we reach carbon neutral we will still require some fossil fuels. So I support extracting our own. But I still think long term renewables are the answer to all our needs. Long term are key words. Renewables may be the answer to reliable and affordable energy, but it wont be for a long time yet. Starmers plan of net-zero by 2030 is laughable. Maybe, though you do remember that net zero doesn't mean no fossil fuels? Anyway we're nearly halfway there and we only really started in the nineties. I'm more hopeful than you. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 22:13:30 GMT
Long term are key words. Renewables may be the answer to reliable and affordable energy, but it wont be for a long time yet. Starmers plan of net-zero by 2030 is laughable. These so called green supporters would rather listen to the likes of the snotty nosed little inbred Bumburgh than they would face the reality. Delightful. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 20, 2023 22:17:44 GMT
The recent tripling of energy prices was not caused by a tripling of renewables, but by an enormous rise in the gas wholesale price. Countries with a far greater percentage of renewables than we do nevertheless have lower energy bills. So yes we are being ripped off but not by the cost of renewables. So the Gas price rises but because we have sacrificed gas production for renewables (we are one of the largest renewable producers on the planet) our energy prices are stratospheric. You are mad if you believe that reducing our production of fossil fuels is going to bring down energy prices.  |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 20, 2023 22:19:02 GMT
These so called green supporters would rather listen to the likes of the snotty nosed little inbred Bumburgh than they would face the reality. What is Delightful is the way some are drwn in by all this so called ECO bollocks. You do know I suppose that if the impossible of net zero ever being reached the planet would die. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 22:26:04 GMT
What is Delightful is the way some are drwn in by all this so called ECO bollocks. You do know I suppose that if the impossible of net zero ever being reached the planet would die. It wouldn't surprise me.  |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 20, 2023 22:31:39 GMT
What is Delightful is the way some are drwn in by all this so called ECO bollocks. You do know I suppose that if the impossible of net zero ever being reached the planet would die. It wouldn't surprise me. So no answer to reality then? Thanks for clearing that one up for us all. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 22:42:31 GMT
Long term are key words. Renewables may be the answer to reliable and affordable energy, but it wont be for a long time yet. Starmers plan of net-zero by 2030 is laughable. Maybe, though you do remember that net zero doesn't mean no fossil fuels? Anyway we're nearly halfway there and we only really started in the nineties. I'm more hopeful than you. ZG, how hopeful are you of the big polluters, China, Russia, India, etc, hitting net-zero in the next 50 years? When it comes to emissions the UK achieving net-zero will make absolutely no difference on a global level, we are simply too small. Not that it matters. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 22:44:28 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me. So no answer to reality then? Thanks for clearing that one up for us all. Sorry I missed the reality. I only saw some nutter claiming net zero would destroy the planet. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 22:45:04 GMT
Laughing at your, as usual, weird ideas....or no idea. The howling of dementia. Move away from the mirror. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2023 22:48:28 GMT
Starmer is proud of not developing North Sea oil or gas with no further licences.
I take it he's OK with us importing LNG on tankers shipped from Angola?
OK with importing LNG from America, where they are fracking it out of the ground?
Because I see this happening nearly every day at the Isle of Grain LNG terminal which is feeding the grid.
I'd much rather develop our own resources as it costs less and low cost energy means a better economy. This Net Zero fantasy will kill our economy.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 22:51:46 GMT
Maybe, though you do remember that net zero doesn't mean no fossil fuels? Anyway we're nearly halfway there and we only really started in the nineties. I'm more hopeful than you. ZG, how hopeful are you of the big polluters, China, Russia, India, etc, hitting net-zero in the next 50 years? When it comes to emissions the UK achieving net-zero will make absolutely no difference on a global level, we are simply too small. Not that it matters. I'm pretty hopeful that most of the Western world will be close. I do think China will be on the way. Russia? No, but interestingly Russia is a huge country with a population 1% of China's, mostly its ice and nobody. But mostly I think renewables will be profitable by then so economics will take over. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 20, 2023 22:57:55 GMT
Starmer is proud of not developing North Sea oil or gas with no further licences. I take it he's OK with us importing LNG on tankers shipped from Angola? OK with importing LNG from America, where they are fracking it out of the ground? Because I see this happening nearly every day at the Isle of Grain LNG terminal which is feeding the grid. I'd much rather develop our own resources as it costs less and low cost energy means a better economy. This Net Zero fantasy will kill our economy. Agreed.So long as we need gas and oil we should use our own, but truth is until very recently it was much more expensive that Russia and Saudi. And its a long process to get ours up to speed. Only the recent price hikes have made our gas and oil deposits viable. It makes me weep that those who say we should use our own fossil deposits condemn renewable energy production as not viable while lauding gas deposits that would have cost 3 times that of Putin's until the Ukraine war. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 23:05:15 GMT
ZG, how hopeful are you of the big polluters, China, Russia, India, etc, hitting net-zero in the next 50 years? When it comes to emissions the UK achieving net-zero will make absolutely no difference on a global level, we are simply too small. Not that it matters. I'm pretty hopeful that most of the Western world will be close. I do think China will be on the way. Russia? No, but interestingly Russia is a huge country with a population 1% of China's, mostly its ice and nobody. But mostly I think renewables will be profitable by then so economics will take over. Countries that have millions of poor people and huge coal reserves, will continue to burn coal of that you can be sure. As Narendra Modi said, "There is no climate change". |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 21, 2023 3:52:35 GMT
So no answer to reality then? Thanks for clearing that one up for us all. NET ZERO is a bloody fantasy that could never be reached, If we did acheive the impossible goal please explain how we could sustain the life of vegestastion the very essence of life for this planet? In otherwords if we lose CO2 all forests in he world would die and so would our planet. If you are coming to the table to argue your ill thought out cause, please have the decency to come to the table armed with facts and not ECO zealots brain washed bullshit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 7:41:13 GMT
No, my labours on this forum in a valiant but mostly unsuccessful attempt to stop the elderly from being wrong is entirely voluntary. Makes you wonder if our generation will be remembered as the most selfish ever. The most alienated from our young since the 1950's. There is indeed a growing divide between the over 60s and under 30s, the former often having little clue about how tough life is today for the latter, having themselves as a generation in large numbers voted for people who took away from future generations what they had. |
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