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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 16, 2022 13:18:02 GMT
I suspect it will make no difference to you, Pac, since you appear to be a big fan of FPTP, but I should have added the word 'exclusive', in between 'granted' and 'access', i.e. 'granted exclusive access to the levers of power in this country'. I take your point, but in my view if there is a critical mass of libertarian right-wingers and socialist left-wingers who can garner electoral support, then they would have a right to participation in our parliamentary system because however odious their views might be, in a free country they have a right to be heard (ridiculed and derided, perhaps, but heard nonetheless). I guess we could apply Churchill's 'least worse' principle to our current system, but I still find it troubling that one party who does not enjoy majority support in the country can gain a majority of seats in our system and thus exercise exclusive control over the country. Take Boris' 'landslide' from 2019. Rounding the figures, the Tories got 44% of the vote but got 56% of the seats and were then able to impose the will of the 44% on the other 56% of the electorate. Maybe that is the 'least worst option', but I sense a combination of apathy, complacency and a wish to retain FPTP for its disproportionate advantage on the part of its supporters that mitigates against considering how we could make it better.  I'm a fan of FPTP because I dont see any other system that offers an improvement. There are a lot of people who believe that PR is the golden bullet to deliver a left wing government - but the last election we held under PR we ended up with UKIP being the largest party and PR has just given Italy their first fascist government since WW2. That being said, if PR was introduced at least my vote at the next election would not be wasted..  Yet the bastardised form of PR used in wales has delivered Marxist State Control and state incompetence across the board for over 20 years, nearly 25 in fact. Snd no sign of it ending short of war. |
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Post by morayloon on Dec 18, 2022 23:42:33 GMT
I'm a fan of FPTP because I dont see any other system that offers an improvement. There are a lot of people who believe that PR is the golden bullet to deliver a left wing government - but the last election we held under PR we ended up with UKIP being the largest party and PR has just given Italy their first fascist government since WW2. That being said, if PR was introduced at least my vote at the next election would not be wasted.. Yet the bastardised form of PR used in wales has delivered Marxist State Control and state incompetence across the board for over 20 years, nearly 25 in fact. Snd no sign of it ending short of war. "Marxist State Control"? Who are you to rubbish how the majority of Welsh people vote? Had it been only FPTP Labour would have won hands down. The result of the corrective section of the ballot closed the gap and the overall result meant that Labour had to form a minority Govt or form a coalition with PC. Coalition with the Tories being out of the question. So, this "war" is going to come about because a minority of the electorate are not happy with how the majority votes. Some democrat!!! |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 20, 2022 2:23:22 GMT
Yet the bastardised form of PR used in wales has delivered Marxist State Control and state incompetence across the board for over 20 years, nearly 25 in fact. Snd no sign of it ending short of war. So, this "war" is going to come about because a minority of the electorate are not happy with how the majority votes. Some democrat!!! And yet, you are not happy with how the majority votes, because in 2014, you lost. In 2016, you lost, in 2017 you lost, in 2019, you lost. Scotland voted to be part of the UK and the UK voted to leave the EU and have a Tory government. If you're going to say "some democrat", well, physician heal thyself. Do not be a hypocrite.
Accept democracy.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 11, 2024 12:23:03 GMT
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 11, 2024 14:17:01 GMT
Shrewd move on Anderson's part, and surely heightens his chances of retaining his seat at the GE.
His constituents must surely comprise enough past Tory voters who are by now both thoroughly disillusioned with both Sunak and the Conservative Party.
And as savvy members of a Brexit voting part of the world they'll know that Starmer is their mortal enemy, hell bent on stealthily delivering the UK back into the hands of Brussels.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2024 16:10:59 GMT
Shrewd move on Anderson's part, and surely heightens his chances of retaining his seat at the GE. His constituents must surely comprise enough past Tory voters who are by now both thoroughly disillusioned with both Sunak and the Conservative Party. And as savvy members of a Brexit voting part of the world they'll know that Starmer is their mortal enemy, hell bent on stealthily delivering the UK back into the hands of Brussels. This is what happened to the UKIP. They started off with a coherent political philosophy, but then through reasons of electoral expedience they took on candidates from the Far Left and Far Lunatic, and then it turned to mush. No one had the foggiest what the party stood for bar its one campaigning issue, which is now history anyway. Watching Galloway is concerning. He plays two games here. The one game is Starmer's game of just criticise the other lot, and the other game is, oh we absolutely love all these Muslims when the party is trying to say we do not want an Islamic state. You can't have your cake and eat it or you will go mad. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 11, 2024 17:43:43 GMT
BvL
Regarding the time up until the Referendum I'd endorse UKIP having one campaigning issue, that the overriding importance of freeing the UK from a situation where it was governed by mostly foreign bureaucrats that the British people didn't elect and neither could they remove, was of paramount importance. And as such it was a principle that plenty of politicians from the Left as well as the Right would gladly get behind and support.
After the Brexit vote, seeing responsibility for our road back to self-determination being placed in the hands of a Remainer Government and a Remainer establishment must have been frustrating as hell for them, as it was for the ordinary voter who could only get their retribution on Gawke, Soubry etc etc by chucking them out of Parliament at the first opportunity. Once the central issue wasn't dominating, UKIP fragmented, and did indeed turn to mush ..... it was one issue, the most important issue of our time, but as a Party it wasn't equipped to win the peace after it had won the war.
BvL
Galloway understands Starmer and is above all gunning for Starmer .... and so he should. We had a plainly ludicrous situation, that wasn't widely recognised ..... and how Labour must wish they could have held it together for another 12 months or so. A fanatically committed Zionist leading a Labour Party that does very very well, and is dependent in certain constituencies on Muslim votes. The Israel/Gaza conflict has come at just the wrong time ... the scales have fallen from the eyes of Muslim Labour Voters, and there stands Starmer with his 'I love Bibi' badge firmly attached to his lapel. If anyone has been successfully playing two games, and riding his luck it was Starmer. Galloway has outed him, Starmer has been revealed to Muslim voters as two timing them, and they've been voted accordingly now that the reality of Starmer has been dragged out into the light.
Galloway has never had more than fleeting moments in the limelight, and I don't see that changing. I don't think his Party's 'adaptable' message can yet gain wide support nationwide. However, I do think his clear desire to warn the British working class, whatever their religion, that they'll gain nothing from a Starmer Premiership, is genuinely held. In addition the Government's desire to label individuals and Groups, won't play well for George ...... secret ballot or not, voting for a Party that has had a metaphorical 'extremist' label placed upon it, will frighten plenty of people off ....which is the whole point of Gove's upcoming initiative I suppose.
Enjoy George while we can, a great British eccentric, a very smart politician, but has always been willing to stick to the 'wrong' and unapproved opinions, that have prevented him having a much more comfortable life. For all the candidates they claim to be fielding, I sense that Britain will cast many more votes for Reform than for the Workers Party ...... in the shorter term at least.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2024 21:49:26 GMT
BvL Regarding the time up until the Referendum I'd endorse UKIP having one campaigning issue, that the overriding importance of freeing the UK from a situation where it was governed by mostly foreign bureaucrats that the British people didn't elect and neither could they remove, was of paramount importance. And as such it was a principle that plenty of politicians from the Left as well as the Right would gladly get behind and support. After the Brexit vote, seeing responsibility for our road back to self-determination being placed in the hands of a Remainer Government and a Remainer establishment must have been frustrating as hell for them, as it was for the ordinary voter who could only get their retribution on Gawke, Soubry etc etc by chucking them out of Parliament at the first opportunity. Once the central issue wasn't dominating, UKIP fragmented, and did indeed turn to mush ..... it was one issue, the most important issue of our time, but as a Party it wasn't equipped to win the peace after it had won the war. BvL Galloway understands Starmer and is above all gunning for Starmer .... and so he should. We had a plainly ludicrous situation, that wasn't widely recognised ..... and how Labour must wish they could have held it together for another 12 months or so. A fanatically committed Zionist leading a Labour Party that does very very well, and is dependent in certain constituencies on Muslim votes. The Israel/Gaza conflict has come at just the wrong time ... the scales have fallen from the eyes of Muslim Labour Voters, and there stands Starmer with his 'I love Bibi' badge firmly attached to his lapel. If anyone has been successfully playing two games, and riding his luck it was Starmer. Galloway has outed him, Starmer has been revealed to Muslim voters as two timing them, and they've been voted accordingly now that the reality of Starmer has been dragged out into the light. Galloway has never had more than fleeting moments in the limelight, and I don't see that changing. I don't think his Party's 'adaptable' message can yet gain wide support nationwide. However, I do think his clear desire to warn the British working class, whatever their religion, that they'll gain nothing from a Starmer Premiership, is genuinely held. In addition the Government's desire to label individuals and Groups, won't play well for George ...... secret ballot or not, voting for a Party that has had a metaphorical 'extremist' label placed upon it, will frighten plenty of people off ....which is the whole point of Gove's upcoming initiative I suppose. Enjoy George while we can, a great British eccentric, a very smart politician, but has always been willing to stick to the 'wrong' and unapproved opinions, that have prevented him having a much more comfortable life. For all the candidates they claim to be fielding, I sense that Britain will cast many more votes for Reform than for the Workers Party ...... in the shorter term at least. I had this feeling all along some shit would hit smimy Starmer at some point. It always happens to someone who think the sun shines out of his arse when really the guy who did it for Labour was Corbyn who increased the grass roots Labour support by a large amount. Starmer's friends of Israel who got him into the position in the first place were always going to be a liability. I hear many Labour supporters hate Starmer's guts.
The thing is also with Galloway is his international view is 100% opposed to Tice's view on increasing the military budget. Galloway would say that's just being told what to do by the US. Remember he came to fame in the first place in relation to the Iraq war where opposition to it was much wider than just those who it concerned from the country being bombed. Maybe they will talk to each other and find common ground in the middle. I tend to think Galloway's strong point is his knowledge of international affairs. If Reform are to govern at some point they need people knowledgeable in all areas. Tice is good for business, but can't know everything. Only Farage knows everything!
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Post by om15 on Mar 14, 2024 17:24:29 GMT
I am not sure that the current polling figures that we see accurately reflect voting intentions, down here in rural Dorset we are fortunate enough to be removed from much of the woes that others are experiencing, however, I bumped into a neighbour recently and we chatted about this and that, he told me that he, his wife, both children and all work colleagues intend to vote for Reform. I was pottering on my allotment this morning and the plot holder next to me told me that after 50 years voting Tory he was going to vote for Reform. Therefor my own personal polling figures indicate Reform 100% and all other parties 0%. I wonder how accurate that I might be.
Missus om is undecided but has nightmares about a Labour Government so might vote tory, I also have nightmares about a Labour Government but will likely vote Reform.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2024 11:51:59 GMT
BBC forced into an apology after referring to Reform UK as "far right".
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Post by borchester on Mar 22, 2024 14:57:48 GMT
I am not sure that the current polling figures that we see accurately reflect voting intentions, down here in rural Dorset we are fortunate enough to be removed from much of the woes that others are experiencing, however, I bumped into a neighbour recently and we chatted about this and that, he told me that he, his wife, both children and all work colleagues intend to vote for Reform. I was pottering on my allotment this morning and the plot holder next to me told me that after 50 years voting Tory he was going to vote for Reform. Therefor my own personal polling figures indicate Reform 100% and all other parties 0%. I wonder how accurate that I might be. Missus om is undecided but has nightmares about a Labour Government so might vote tory, I also have nightmares about a Labour Government but will likely vote Reform. I was sitting on allotment yesterday and after discussing whether or not it was too early to plant spuds, my Irish friend asked who I was going to vote for. I said that normally it was Conservative, but the current lot did not appear particularly Conservative, which left Reform, who have always struck me as the Little Snoring branch of the National Front. So one way and another I thought that I would sit the next election out.
My friend said that she had always had a weakness for Leo Varadkar, who seemed harmless enough. I had to agree with her so come the May elections I will probably vote for Fine Gael
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 14, 2024 16:34:15 GMT
Reform seem to be making decent progress - the Tories have failed to stop their onward march so far.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 15, 2024 16:42:03 GMT
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Post by om15 on Aug 18, 2024 17:25:09 GMT
The left wing media seems to be trying to ignite outrage about the amount of money Nigel Farage is earning, in addition to his MPs salary he earns from GB News, the Daily Telegraph and several other news outlets. This is entirely predictable, the lefties can't stand people who work hard, are successful and better themselves.
The Left want us all to live in council houses (except there aren't any), "work" in the public sector or be on benefits, the last thing they want is independent citizens. I applaud Nigel Farage, I respect the vast amount of tax he generates for the Country and the example he gives to young people, hard work is what is right, not going on strike or sponging off the State.
Good man Nigel.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 20, 2024 21:22:42 GMT
Reform (and the Tories) doing well among the adults.  |
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