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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 20:16:42 GMT
As for being ruled by the working class, one only needs to look at the fiasco of the referendum to see just how ridiculous that suggestion is.
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 20:17:56 GMT
Superb for slime bags with nothing better to laugh at . Incidentally it's really good to be human and therefor open to make mistakes occasionally without regrets. Idiots who laugh at mistakes by others just show their ignorance because they are not without mistakes in their own lives  I am sickened that I made one mistake last year, the first for decades.  Didn't do much last year them ? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 20:30:15 GMT
I was about to post a 'like' for you post until I read about your claim about Grammar schools 'liberating the more intelligent working class students. The 11+ was just about the most diabolical way of deciding who would go to grammar schools and who would not. A system introduced by well meaning educated morons who might have been hard pressed to design a more useless system. So you failed the 11+ ..,..... Yes. I was part deaf, no one noticed and I didn't realise I was lip reading so if I couldn't see the teachers face I had no idea what was going on BUT I WANTED TO LEARN. I left a Secondary Mod aged 15years, able to read, write, do basic maths and good at comprehension. Then. Night school. College, private tuition and University. So you see I am able to understand and weigh up situations, so when I see smart arsed comments by people like yourself I wonder just how many not too bright smart arsed individuals there are out there. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 20:46:54 GMT
Let's not forget there are more people going to University today than ever before, Most of them would have gone through the Comprehensive system. And like her or not Theresa May was comprehensive educated and she managed to become the leader of the Tory party as Prime Minister. It was my belief, as heard in a discussion on TV that May attended a Comprehensive school. __“ It’s great that somebody from a comprehensive school in rural Oxfordshire can travel so far in the world. It’s a really inspirational message for students here - that they can aspire to the very top of whatever they choose to do.”__ www.tes.com/magazine/archive/theresa-mays-old-school-was-far-cry-eton-its-headteacher-says |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 14, 2023 20:54:44 GMT
As for being ruled by the working class, one only needs to look at the fiasco of the referendum to see just how ridiculous that suggestion is. Not really. You see the Poles were bidding for working class jobs so they could never rise above min wage. This is one reason food prices have gone up so much now. The labour market is more competitive. The EU distorted it due to national economic differences, such as much lower living costs in Poland. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 21:10:49 GMT
As for being ruled by the working class, one only needs to look at the fiasco of the referendum to see just how ridiculous that suggestion is. Not really. You see the Poles were bidding for working class jobs so they could never rise above min wage. This is one reason food prices have gone up so much now. The labour market is more competitive. The EU distorted it due to national economic differences, such as much lower living costs in Poland. AIUI most migrants to the UK came from outside of the EU. One problem has been that millions of what I might describe as mostly, but not only, the 'lower end' of trades disappeared in the 1980s ensuring plenty of applicants for shelf fillers along with what was euphemistically called Mac Jobs. Probably millions of trades people never worked in their trade again. I did 30 years in engineering before giving it up as a lost cause and retraining into a professional position. Best move I ever made. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 14, 2023 21:47:31 GMT
We had two other ‘ local’ Grammar / high schools . They were single sex schools and seemingly hard to get into. As I said , these were ‘ high’ schools that taught Latin and were perhaps more like your old school. My Grammar school called themselves ‘ Grammar technical ‘ and possibly concentrated more on technical education whereas the other schools were more focused on Classical education .The 1944 Education which introduced the 11+ also created the tripartite system that had Secondary Modern schools, Grammar schools and Technical High schools. The idea was that those passing the 11+ would go to either a Grammar or Technical High - those failing to a Secondary Modern. Unfortunately very few Technical High schools were created and the system morphed into a 2 strand Grammar or Secondary choice. If the system had been introduced as originally envisaged it would have massively benefited the UK economy. Not in my area. Passes in the 11-plus went to grammar school. The technical examination took place as a result of teachers picking promising pupils at secondary modern at the age of 13. Those who passed went to tech colleges, some were single sex others mixed but segregated classwise, girls took commercial courses, boys construction or engineering etc. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 14, 2023 21:48:47 GMT
I am sickened that I made one mistake last year, the first for decades. Didn't do much last year them ? One mistake was enough, I had to buy a new box of hankies. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 21:52:12 GMT
Didn't do much last year them ? One mistake was enough, I had to buy a new box of hankies. If it had just been a spelling mistake I think you would have got over that very quickly |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 14, 2023 21:57:53 GMT
One mistake was enough, I had to buy a new box of hankies. If it had just been a spelling mistake I think you would have got over that very quickly It was a spelling mistake and I have never gotten over it.  |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 22:01:38 GMT
If it had just been a spelling mistake I think you would have got over that very quickly It was a spelling mistake and I have never gotten over it. Was it a costly spelling mistake? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 14, 2023 22:05:45 GMT
Here's a statement of fact .... The BBC is, by a long way, the most popular, and the most watched TV in the UK well my standard response to an assertion like that is that the BBC would have nothing to fear from moving to a subscription model of funding. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 15, 2023 0:08:27 GMT
Not really. You see the Poles were bidding for working class jobs so they could never rise above min wage. This is one reason food prices have gone up so much now. The labour market is more competitive. The EU distorted it due to national economic differences, such as much lower living costs in Poland. AIUI most migrants to the UK came from outside of the EU. One problem has been that millions of what I might describe as mostly, but not only, the 'lower end' of trades disappeared in the 1980s ensuring plenty of applicants for shelf fillers along with what was euphemistically called Mac Jobs. Probably millions of trades people never worked in their trade again. I did 30 years in engineering before giving it up as a lost cause and retraining into a professional position. Best move I ever made. The 1980s as I recall also saw a record 15% unemployment. Yes there were a lot of Mc Jobs. I think the unemployment was due to the shutting down of manufacturing which in turn shut the whole supply chain including well paid designers and researchers. One thing I see in this country that sucks is the more useful you are to the production process the lower your pay. Like if you are a diversity manager your pay in a corporation apparently can be 100-200k/year for essentially doing nothing. Marketing is apparently another high paid job. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 15, 2023 9:55:09 GMT
I doubt if there is "a working class" other than a few elderly people who phone into LBC to rant on about them bloody Tories, mate.
Their children and grandchildren have become what is generally recognised as middle class, going on more than one foreign holiday a year, aspiring to change their furniture periodically and running up seriously large credit card bills. Some never actually own the lives they live.
Thatcher's dream of changing the UK from a manufacturing to a technological/service nation has been done. But such a country has to work together with others to make it happen. For example a car designed in the UK will be produced by parts made across several countries. Ditto aircraft, machinery, health care products etc.
What we think of as the working class is now just assembly workers, have left their areas to immigrant families and spread out into many occupations which are office or desk bound.
I don't want to be "ruled" by any "class". I want people who are aware of tendencies inside and outside the country, are responsive to them and creative enough to move towards solutions.
They are hard enough to find without worrying what "class" they belong to.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 15, 2023 12:17:59 GMT
So you failed the 11+ ..,..... Yes. I was part deaf, no one noticed and I didn't realise I was lip reading so if I couldn't see the teachers face I had no idea what was going on BUT I WANTED TO LEARN. I left a Secondary Mod aged 15years, able to read, write, do basic maths and good at comprehension. Then. Night school. College, private tuition and University. So you see I am able to understand and weigh up situations, so when I see smart arsed comments by people like yourself I wonder just how many not too bright smart arsed individuals there are out there. Iirc the 11+ was basically an English / intelligence test . I remember that we had to decode a message in ours. Pretty easy to be honest . |
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