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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 20, 2023 17:30:10 GMT
Do you think the public give a shit whether the bananas are straight, crooked, green or yellow? There were thousands of reasons the way people voted to leave or remain. Your list reasons may have been polar opposite to mind, my reasons to leave were probably different to many other leavers. For me, if a cucumber was a wrong shape, then it's up to the government that I help to elect to make that decision, not idiots in Brussels. To some, a cucumber shape might be important, especially if you grow them to sell, you don't want a low yield. If a cucumber shape is irrelevant you you or I, it doesn't stop it being important to others. Same with, "But scientists stopped getting funded". My reply, "Tough shit". Even if a report sid, "Brits are £xx worse off out of the EU". My reply, "I couldn't give a flying fuck, sovereignty was on my priority list". Any one feeling worse off, stop buying the odd pie, pint, and packet of cigs, or cut down on the mobile phone tariff. Is your life worse off out of the EU dictatorship? If so, please list how. In 2014 I was able to take my kitchen and 6 staff to Ireland to trade at the European Juggling Convention without having to fill out a single form, ask permission from anyone, submit to any checks at the border or pay any tax to the Irish authorities. There is now so much red tape involved that this year when the EJC returns to Ireland it is no longer worth my while. So that's an opportunity to turn over more than £20k and pay my staff 1k each lost. I have also lost the right to stay in the holiday home in France that I inherited from my father for more than 90 days in a 180 day period. I have also lost my right to live in the house when I retire and spend my time travelling around Europe in my motorhome without restriction. I will now have to beg for permission to do what I was fully entitled to do before. So Brexit has not only cost me money, damaged the strength of the pound and lost me my right to work in the EU but it has also scuppered my retirement plans. So far I have not seen any way that leaving the EU has brought me any benefits other than some vague notion of sovereignty that I don't believe we ever really lost in the first place, a change in the colour of my passport which I couldn't GAF about and some nonsense about being able to buy misshapen fruit and veg made up to cause gammons to go pink with outrage. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 20, 2023 17:40:04 GMT
The regulation calls for __"Whereas such changes entail alteration of the definition of the supplementary quality class as laid down by Council Regulation (EEC) No 1194/69 (4) as last amended by Regulation (EEC) No 79/88 (5); whereas account should be taken, in defining that class, of the economic importance to producers of the products concerned and of the need to meet consumer requirements;
It divides Cucumbers into 4 different classifications from excellence in shape texture and development to far from excellent. It doesn't state that less than excellent cucumbers cannot be sold. That decision is left to the purchaser. I remember it well in the news, producers were throwing produce out. Try to nit pick all the words and what producers could have done etc.. But in the late 80's / early 90's, that was front page news.You can’t educate pork mate. Because once you have shown up their total bullshit for what it is, they will go off on a tangent and start the next part of their total pro remain bullshit. It wouldn’t be so bad if they had a new argument but all they have is the same old bullshit we have all heard a thousand times before. None of them have an original thought in their head, yet another result of sharing the same very lonely and addled pro EUSSR mono brain cell. Sad innit? |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 20, 2023 18:18:50 GMT
There were thousands of reasons the way people voted to leave or remain. Your list reasons may have been polar opposite to mind, my reasons to leave were probably different to many other leavers. For me, if a cucumber was a wrong shape, then it's up to the government that I help to elect to make that decision, not idiots in Brussels. To some, a cucumber shape might be important, especially if you grow them to sell, you don't want a low yield. If a cucumber shape is irrelevant you you or I, it doesn't stop it being important to others. Same with, "But scientists stopped getting funded". My reply, "Tough shit". Even if a report sid, "Brits are £xx worse off out of the EU". My reply, "I couldn't give a flying fuck, sovereignty was on my priority list". Any one feeling worse off, stop buying the odd pie, pint, and packet of cigs, or cut down on the mobile phone tariff. Is your life worse off out of the EU dictatorship? If so, please list how. In 2014 I was able to take my kitchen and 6 staff to Ireland to trade at the European Juggling Convention without having to fill out a single form, ask permission from anyone, submit to any checks at the border or pay any tax to the Irish authorities. There is now so much red tape involved that this year when the EJC returns to Ireland it is no longer worth my while. So that's an opportunity to turn over more than £20k and pay my staff 1k each lost. I have also lost the right to stay in the holiday home in France that I inherited from my father for more than 90 days in a 180 day period. I have also lost my right to live in the house when I retire and spend my time travelling around Europe in my motorhome without restriction. I will now have to beg for permission to do what I was fully entitled to do before. So Brexit has not only cost me money, damaged the strength of the pound and lost me my right to work in the EU but it has also scuppered my retirement plans. So far I have not seen any way that leaving the EU has brought me any benefits other than some vague notion of sovereignty that I don't believe we ever really lost in the first place, a change in the colour of my passport which I couldn't GAF about and some nonsense about being able to buy misshapen fruit and veg made up to cause gammons to go pink with outrage. Don't go to Ireland then? What was it like travelling to Ireland before joining the EU? Our hearts bleed you can't get to an inherited French property, our hearts bleed you can't get around Europe as you wanted to in retirement. Well actually, I say, "Our hearts bleed", I actually meant to say, "Many don't give a fuck". I'm not bothered about passport colours either. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 20, 2023 18:52:14 GMT
In 2014 I was able to take my kitchen and 6 staff to Ireland to trade at the European Juggling Convention without having to fill out a single form, ask permission from anyone, submit to any checks at the border or pay any tax to the Irish authorities. There is now so much red tape involved that this year when the EJC returns to Ireland it is no longer worth my while. So that's an opportunity to turn over more than £20k and pay my staff 1k each lost. I have also lost the right to stay in the holiday home in France that I inherited from my father for more than 90 days in a 180 day period. I have also lost my right to live in the house when I retire and spend my time travelling around Europe in my motorhome without restriction. I will now have to beg for permission to do what I was fully entitled to do before. So Brexit has not only cost me money, damaged the strength of the pound and lost me my right to work in the EU but it has also scuppered my retirement plans. So far I have not seen any way that leaving the EU has brought me any benefits other than some vague notion of sovereignty that I don't believe we ever really lost in the first place, a change in the colour of my passport which I couldn't GAF about and some nonsense about being able to buy misshapen fruit and veg made up to cause gammons to go pink with outrage. Don't go to Ireland then? What was it like travelling to Ireland before joining the EU? Our hearts bleed you can't get to an inherited French property, our hearts bleed you can't get around Europe as you wanted to in retirement. Well actually, I say, "Our hearts bleed", I actually meant to say, "Many don't give a fuck". I'm not bothered about passport colours either. You asked how my life was worse as a result of Brexit. I gave you a list. I'm not looking for your sympathy but hopefully you now realise that many people have lost out because of it. Imagine Scotland leaving the UK with you losing the right to live and work there as a result. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 18:57:45 GMT
In 2014 I was able to take my kitchen and 6 staff to Ireland to trade at the European Juggling Convention without having to fill out a single form, ask permission from anyone, submit to any checks at the border or pay any tax to the Irish authorities. There is now so much red tape involved that this year when the EJC returns to Ireland it is no longer worth my while. So that's an opportunity to turn over more than £20k and pay my staff 1k each lost. I have also lost the right to stay in the holiday home in France that I inherited from my father for more than 90 days in a 180 day period. I have also lost my right to live in the house when I retire and spend my time travelling around Europe in my motorhome without restriction. I will now have to beg for permission to do what I was fully entitled to do before. So Brexit has not only cost me money, damaged the strength of the pound and lost me my right to work in the EU but it has also scuppered my retirement plans. So far I have not seen any way that leaving the EU has brought me any benefits other than some vague notion of sovereignty that I don't believe we ever really lost in the first place, a change in the colour of my passport which I couldn't GAF about and some nonsense about being able to buy misshapen fruit and veg made up to cause gammons to go pink with outrage. Rubbish, Monte you're trying to make something out of nothing. The red tape you mention is the EU's fault. Other than a passport, red tape didn't exist pre 1992. After 1992 the biggest difference was the fact that border posts were suddenly unmanned or had been removed. You can easilly travel around Europe, in a motorhome if you wish, as many smugglers, people traffickers, criminals and terrorists will confirm. However, unlike the aforementioned criminals, you will have to carry a British passport. Naturally you will say this is a huge inconvenience. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 20, 2023 19:04:24 GMT
In 2014 I was able to take my kitchen and 6 staff to Ireland to trade at the European Juggling Convention without having to fill out a single form, ask permission from anyone, submit to any checks at the border or pay any tax to the Irish authorities. There is now so much red tape involved that this year when the EJC returns to Ireland it is no longer worth my while. So that's an opportunity to turn over more than £20k and pay my staff 1k each lost. I have also lost the right to stay in the holiday home in France that I inherited from my father for more than 90 days in a 180 day period. I have also lost my right to live in the house when I retire and spend my time travelling around Europe in my motorhome without restriction. I will now have to beg for permission to do what I was fully entitled to do before. So Brexit has not only cost me money, damaged the strength of the pound and lost me my right to work in the EU but it has also scuppered my retirement plans. So far I have not seen any way that leaving the EU has brought me any benefits other than some vague notion of sovereignty that I don't believe we ever really lost in the first place, a change in the colour of my passport which I couldn't GAF about and some nonsense about being able to buy misshapen fruit and veg made up to cause gammons to go pink with outrage. Oh no, my days of juggling in Ireland are over. My life is ruined...  |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 20, 2023 19:07:07 GMT
In 2014 I was able to take my kitchen and 6 staff to Ireland to trade at the European Juggling Convention without having to fill out a single form, ask permission from anyone, submit to any checks at the border or pay any tax to the Irish authorities. There is now so much red tape involved that this year when the EJC returns to Ireland it is no longer worth my while. So that's an opportunity to turn over more than £20k and pay my staff 1k each lost. I have also lost the right to stay in the holiday home in France that I inherited from my father for more than 90 days in a 180 day period. I have also lost my right to live in the house when I retire and spend my time travelling around Europe in my motorhome without restriction. I will now have to beg for permission to do what I was fully entitled to do before. So Brexit has not only cost me money, damaged the strength of the pound and lost me my right to work in the EU but it has also scuppered my retirement plans. So far I have not seen any way that leaving the EU has brought me any benefits other than some vague notion of sovereignty that I don't believe we ever really lost in the first place, a change in the colour of my passport which I couldn't GAF about and some nonsense about being able to buy misshapen fruit and veg made up to cause gammons to go pink with outrage. Rubbish, Monte you're trying to make something out of nothing. The red tape you mention is the EU's fault. Other than a passport, red tape didn't exist pre 1992. After 1992 the biggest difference was the fact that border posts were suddenly unmanned or had been removed. You can easilly travel around Europe, in a motorhome if you wish, as many smugglers, people traffickers, criminals and terrorists will confirm. However, unlike the aforementioned criminals, you will have to carry a British passport. Naturally you will say this is a huge inconvenience. I can only do it for 90 days though. One of my best mates has planned for years to buy a yacht and spend a year or two sailing around the Med'. He was all set to do it this year then he found out about the 90 day rule and has had to scrap his plans. It has played havoc with the industry. It takes the best part of a month to coastal hop down to the mouth of the Med' so you could get 2 weeks into the Med before you have to turn around and head back. There are no nice/safe non EU zone countries to head to for 90 days when you run out of time. |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 20, 2023 19:13:38 GMT
Don't go to Ireland then? What was it like travelling to Ireland before joining the EU? Our hearts bleed you can't get to an inherited French property, our hearts bleed you can't get around Europe as you wanted to in retirement. Well actually, I say, "Our hearts bleed", I actually meant to say, "Many don't give a fuck". I'm not bothered about passport colours either. You asked how my life was worse as a result of Brexit. I gave you a list. I'm not looking for your sympathy but hopefully you now realise that many people have lost out because of it. Imagine Scotland leaving the UK with you losing the right to live and work there as a result. Let me say, your life to many is hoity toity, so hardly anyone is bothered about how dreadful it is now going to Ireland or to your second home in France. Many here would like to buy their first house, never mind jetting off to France supping champagne. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 20, 2023 19:18:53 GMT
In 2014 I was able to take my kitchen and 6 staff to Ireland to trade at the European Juggling Convention without having to fill out a single form, ask permission from anyone, submit to any checks at the border or pay any tax to the Irish authorities. There is now so much red tape involved that this year when the EJC returns to Ireland it is no longer worth my while. So that's an opportunity to turn over more than £20k and pay my staff 1k each lost. I have also lost the right to stay in the holiday home in France that I inherited from my father for more than 90 days in a 180 day period. I have also lost my right to live in the house when I retire and spend my time travelling around Europe in my motorhome without restriction. I will now have to beg for permission to do what I was fully entitled to do before. So Brexit has not only cost me money, damaged the strength of the pound and lost me my right to work in the EU but it has also scuppered my retirement plans. So far I have not seen any way that leaving the EU has brought me any benefits other than some vague notion of sovereignty that I don't believe we ever really lost in the first place, a change in the colour of my passport which I couldn't GAF about and some nonsense about being able to buy misshapen fruit and veg made up to cause gammons to go pink with outrage. Oh no, my days of juggling in Ireland are over. My life is ruined... Juggling has been a large part of my life for nearly 30 years. I've catered at dozens of conventions over the years and my juggling mates are amongst the best mates I've ever had. My time at the last EJC in Ireland was the best working holiday I've ever had. I'm gutted that I can't do it again. I had a good look around after the festival visiting castles and beautiful countryside plus I visited friends I'd made at the convention in their home town of Cork and by the time I got home I still had a couple of grand in my pocket. It hasn't ruined my life any more than being in the EU ruined yours but it has deprived me of opportunities. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 20, 2023 19:24:32 GMT
Oh no, my days of juggling in Ireland are over. My life is ruined... Juggling has been a large part of my life for nearly 30 years. I've catered at dozens of conventions over the years and my juggling mates are amongst the best mates I've ever had. My time at the last EJC in Ireland was the best working holiday I've ever had. I'm gutted that I can't do it again. I had a good look around after the festival visiting castles and beautiful countryside plus I visited friends I'd made at the convention in their home town of Cork and by the time I got home I still had a couple of grand in my pocket. It hasn't ruined my life any more than being in the EU ruined yours but it has deprived me of opportunities.
Oh spare me. There's absolutely nothing stopping you going to Ireland (or anywhere else) and doing exactly the same, so stop being such an absolute melt, there's a chap.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 19:24:42 GMT
Rubbish, Monte you're trying to make something out of nothing. The red tape you mention is the EU's fault. Other than a passport, red tape didn't exist pre 1992. After 1992 the biggest difference was the fact that border posts were suddenly unmanned or had been removed. You can easilly travel around Europe, in a motorhome if you wish, as many smugglers, people traffickers, criminals and terrorists will confirm. However, unlike the aforementioned criminals, you will have to carry a British passport. Naturally you will say this is a huge inconvenience. I can only do it for 90 days though. One of my best mates has planned for years to buy a yacht and spend a year or two sailing around the Med'. He was all set to do it this year then he found out about the 90 day rule and has had to scrap his plans. It has played havoc with the industry. It takes the best part of a month to coastal hop down to the mouth of the Med' so you could get 2 weeks into the Med before you have to turn around and head back. There are no nice/safe non EU zone countries to head to for 90 days when you run out of time. I know a couple who overstayed and were nearly banned from visiting Europe again, they were sailing around the Med. But that's the EU, Schengen zone for you. They weren't Brits btw. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 20, 2023 19:26:11 GMT
You asked how my life was worse as a result of Brexit. I gave you a list. I'm not looking for your sympathy but hopefully you now realise that many people have lost out because of it. Imagine Scotland leaving the UK with you losing the right to live and work there as a result. Let me say, your life to many is hoity toity, so hardly anyone is bothered about how dreadful it is now going to Ireland or to your second home in France. Many here would like to buy their first house, never mind jetting off to France supping champagne. It's a one bed barn conversion in a rural part of France where house prices are really low. It's worth about 10-15k. It's also not a second home unless you count the truck I live in as a first home. There's nothing hoity-toity about it but it did give me the opportunity to live a champagne lifestyle on a brown ale budget. I'm far from rich. Brexit has robbed me of opportunity based on a really narrow margin based on lies and distortions. Pisses me off and there are many like me. If you hope we are all going to shut up about it I fear you are going to be very disappointed. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 20, 2023 19:27:22 GMT
Juggling has been a large part of my life for nearly 30 years. I've catered at dozens of conventions over the years and my juggling mates are amongst the best mates I've ever had. My time at the last EJC in Ireland was the best working holiday I've ever had. I'm gutted that I can't do it again. I had a good look around after the festival visiting castles and beautiful countryside plus I visited friends I'd made at the convention in their home town of Cork and by the time I got home I still had a couple of grand in my pocket. It hasn't ruined my life any more than being in the EU ruined yours but it has deprived me of opportunities.
Oh spare me. There's absolutely nothing stopping you going to Ireland (or anywhere else) and doing exactly the same, so stop being such an absolute melt, there's a chap.
Apart from all the added red tape and regulations that Brexit has caused. |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 20, 2023 19:28:25 GMT
33% of Tory voters lose confidence in Brexit, are we sure these were the Tory voters that voted for Brexit as 40% of Tory voters did not vote for Brexit.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 19:30:40 GMT
Oh spare me. There's absolutely nothing stopping you going to Ireland (or anywhere else) and doing exactly the same, so stop being such an absolute melt, there's a chap.
Apart from all the added red tape and regulations that Brexit has caused Red tape that's imposed by the EU, not the UK, and that's because we must be punished for Brexit. |
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