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Post by Pacifico on Jan 20, 2023 8:09:42 GMT
Well that's a load of horseshit - the EU is the most harmonised trading bloc on the planet - it is also the slowest growing. Funny that, because you admitted elsewhere that there are fewer barriers to trade between the UK and NI than between the UK and the EU. Yet, you maintain that the Protocol has caused substantial barriers to trade between the UK and NI. You can't have it both ways, Doc.  What has that to do with the EU's appalling low growth rate? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 8:51:06 GMT
Ah, so you still have no response. Haromised laws and standards reduce trade barriers. Reduced trade barriers increases trade. Increased trade increases wealth. That's sort of basic, Squeaky. If Brexiters are not prepared to allow an external body to harmonise laws and standards across Europe, there is only one other way for the UK's standards and laws to be in harmony with the rest of Europe. That is, the UK parliament will make any law it chooses, and the rest of Europe will simply copy the laws made by the UK parliament. You're probably stupid enough to believe that could happen, Squeaky. The only way to do it is to have an external body like the EU make standards and laws for everyone. Rides home on Japanese motorcycle. Opens Chilean Merlot. Takes piss out of Whoiney on Chinese computer while checking FTSE 100 and booking Far Eastern holiday using American Express. And laughs, and laughs, and laughs. Oh very dear, Whoiney. Oh very dear! You poor deluded fool!  Nope, giggles and giggles and giggles like a desperate Leaver grasping at straws looking backwards and ignoring the obvious mess the country is in. |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 20, 2023 15:46:41 GMT
Here is some good news... sparkling wine is going to get cheaper.. ..although why we needed an EU regulation on tin foil applied to bottles of wine in the first place is rather unclear - although if the EU thought that regulations on the shape of Bananas were needed I suppose we shouldnt be surprised..,. Shame there's nothing to celebrate then. Also, regulating the shape of bananas is one of the biggest EU myths that the uninformed still fall for. The EU simply put bananas into two classes. Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape" and Class 2 bananas full-on "defects of shape". That's it. No ban on bendy bananas, no regulations on the shape a banana has to be before it can be sold in the EU. Just some misleading tosh for the terminally uninformed to get outraged about. In fact, the EU had rules on the curve of cucumbers, undersized melons, misshaped bananas etc.. The offending produce was thrown out. Then to curb waste over the last decade or two, the "wrong shape/size" produce was allowed back into shops. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 15:55:37 GMT
Shame there's nothing to celebrate then. Also, regulating the shape of bananas is one of the biggest EU myths that the uninformed still fall for. The EU simply put bananas into two classes. Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape" and Class 2 bananas full-on "defects of shape". That's it. No ban on bendy bananas, no regulations on the shape a banana has to be before it can be sold in the EU. Just some misleading tosh for the terminally uninformed to get outraged about. In fact, the EU had rules on the curve of cucumbers, undersized melons, misshaped bananas etc.. The offending produce was thrown out. Then to curb waste over the last decade or two, the "wrong shape/size" produce was allowed back into shops. Classifications actually, the Super Markets have been doing that privately for ever. They made the decision to sell stuff they previously rejected before it got to the shop. |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 20, 2023 15:58:23 GMT
In fact, the EU had rules on the curve of cucumbers, undersized melons, misshaped bananas etc.. The offending produce was thrown out. Then to curb waste over the last decade or two, the "wrong shape/size" produce was allowed back into shops. Classifications actually, the Super Markets have been doing that privately for ever. They made the decision to sell stuff they previously rejected before it got to the shop. Here's an article from 2008 on the cucumber rule www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2008/nov/12/eu-food-veg-cucumber |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 16:12:18 GMT
Show me an actual EU RULING that forbids the selling of cucumbers if they do not meet EU standard, not somebodies opinion. Here's an eye opener for those controlled by Brexit false propaganda. __"Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules."__ __"Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas. www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwall |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 16:20:18 GMT
Show me an actual EU RULING that forbids the selling of cucumbers if they do not meet EU standard, not somebodies opinion. Here's an eye opener for those controlled by Brexit false propaganda. __"Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules."__ __"Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwallDo you think the public give a shit whether the bananas are straight, crooked, green or yellow? |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 20, 2023 16:26:11 GMT
Show me an actual EU RULING that forbids the selling of cucumbers if they do not meet EU standard, not somebodies opinion. Here's an eye opener for those controlled by Brexit false propaganda. __"Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules."__ __"Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas. www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwallCommission Regulation (EEC) No 1677/88 of 15 June 1988 laying down quality standards for cucumbers No longer in force, Date of end of validity: 30/06/2009 eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:31988R1677Can I make a suggestion, use Google. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 16:27:26 GMT
Show me an actual EU RULING that forbids the selling of cucumbers if they do not meet EU standard, not somebodies opinion. Here's an eye opener for those controlled by Brexit false propaganda. __"Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules."__ __"Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwallDo you think the public give a shit whether the bananas are straight, crooked, green or yellow? The super markets and other businesses obviously do. So too do many of the customers which is why the issue was addressed by the EU. |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 20, 2023 16:36:44 GMT
Show me an actual EU RULING that forbids the selling of cucumbers if they do not meet EU standard, not somebodies opinion. Here's an eye opener for those controlled by Brexit false propaganda. __"Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules."__ __"Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwallDo you think the public give a shit whether the bananas are straight, crooked, green or yellow? There were thousands of reasons the way people voted to leave or remain. Your list reasons may have been polar opposite to mind, my reasons to leave were probably different to many other leavers. For me, if a cucumber was a wrong shape, then it's up to the government that I help to elect to make that decision, not idiots in Brussels. To some, a cucumber shape might be important, especially if you grow them to sell, you don't want a low yield. If a cucumber shape is irrelevant you you or I, it doesn't stop it being important to others. Same with, "But scientists stopped getting funded". My reply, "Tough shit". Even if a report sid, "Brits are £xx worse off out of the EU". My reply, "I couldn't give a flying fuck, sovereignty was on my priority list". Any one feeling worse off, stop buying the odd pie, pint, and packet of cigs, or cut down on the mobile phone tariff. Is your life worse off out of the EU dictatorship? If so, please list how. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 16:41:12 GMT
Show me an actual EU RULING that forbids the selling of cucumbers if they do not meet EU standard, not somebodies opinion. Here's an eye opener for those controlled by Brexit false propaganda. __"Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules."__ __"Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas. www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwallCommission Regulation (EEC) No 1677/88 of 15 June 1988 laying down quality standards for cucumbers No longer in force, Date of end of validity: 30/06/2009 eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:31988R1677Can I make a suggestion, use Google. The regulation calls for __"Whereas such changes entail alteration of the definition of the supplementary quality class as laid down by Council Regulation (EEC) No 1194/69 (4) as last amended by Regulation (EEC) No 79/88 (5); whereas account should be taken, in defining that class, of the economic importance to producers of the products concerned and of the need to meet consumer requirements;
It divides Cucumbers into 4 different classifications from excellence in shape texture and development to far from excellent. It doesn't state that less than excellent cucumbers cannot be sold. That decision is left to the purchaser. |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 20, 2023 16:43:10 GMT
The regulation calls for __"Whereas such changes entail alteration of the definition of the supplementary quality class as laid down by Council Regulation (EEC) No 1194/69 (4) as last amended by Regulation (EEC) No 79/88 (5); whereas account should be taken, in defining that class, of the economic importance to producers of the products concerned and of the need to meet consumer requirements;
It divides Cucumbers into 4 different classifications from excellence in shape texture and development to far from excellent. It doesn't state that less than excellent cucumbers cannot be sold. That decision is left to the purchaser. I remember it well in the news, producers were throwing produce out. Try to nit pick all the words and what producers could have done etc.. But in the late 80's / early 90's, that was front page news. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 16:46:01 GMT
The regulation calls for _ _"Whereas such changes entail alteration of the definition of the supplementary quality class as laid down by Council Regulation (EEC) No 1194/69 (4) as last amended by Regulation (EEC) No 79/88 (5); whereas account should be taken, in defining that class, of the economic importance to producers of the products concerned and of the need to meet consumer requirements;
It divides Cucumbers into 4 different classifications from excellence in shape texture and development to far from excellent.It doesn't state that less than excellent cucumbers cannot be sold. That decision is left to the purchaser. It's called gobbledegook and says nothing about flavour or tough skin which are the most important aspects. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 16:54:33 GMT
The regulation calls for _ _"Whereas such changes entail alteration of the definition of the supplementary quality class as laid down by Council Regulation (EEC) No 1194/69 (4) as last amended by Regulation (EEC) No 79/88 (5); whereas account should be taken, in defining that class, of the economic importance to producers of the products concerned and of the need to meet consumer requirements;
It divides Cucumbers into 4 different classifications from excellence in shape texture and development to far from excellent.It doesn't state that less than excellent cucumbers cannot be sold. That decision is left to the purchaser. It's called gobbledegook and says nothing about flavour or tough skin which are the most important aspects. I was just making my point on that old legislation. But I think you will find it covers everything. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 17:04:18 GMT
The regulation calls for __"Whereas such changes entail alteration of the definition of the supplementary quality class as laid down by Council Regulation (EEC) No 1194/69 (4) as last amended by Regulation (EEC) No 79/88 (5); whereas account should be taken, in defining that class, of the economic importance to producers of the products concerned and of the need to meet consumer requirements;
It divides Cucumbers into 4 different classifications from excellence in shape texture and development to far from excellent. It doesn't state that less than excellent cucumbers cannot be sold. That decision is left to the purchaser. I remember it well in the news, producers were throwing produce out. Try to nit pick all the words and what producers could have done etc.. But in the late 80's / early 90's, that was front page news. There were still four different classifications on cumbers. So it wasn't the case that they had to be perfects or they needed to be dumped. The only reason these classifications came into existence was because different countries had different classifications, and businesses wanted some standardisation so that they would know what they were purchasing. |
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