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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 8:28:11 GMT
I would suggest very few, but tbh, it's not something I'm bothered about. The long overdue referendum has happened, it's the past. I regard moaning remainiacs with amusement, tinged with pity. They are not as amusing as the Brexnits who did most of the moaning before the referendum, and now do most of the moaning again. And don't appear to have much to look forward to, to back up their claims on Brexit. It's been a huge let down so far. Not whinging, just saying  Perhaps people were moaning before the referendum because they were annoyed about the way we were handed to the EU, without a referendum. Hey it's a thought. Brexit has not been a let down. How can it be? Brexit was designed to remove the UK from the EU which is what the majority voted for, and that is exactly what happened, eventually. Thanks to pro EU politicians who don't give a damn what the majority want it took a lot longer that it should have, but democracy in the end prevailed. You remainiacs are fond of blaming Brexit for everything from the crucifixion to the price of bread, but the fact is the €urozone is in exactly the same situation, in some cases significantly worse, is this because of Brexit too? Or is it due to Covid and it's legacy, war in Ukraine, fuel prices and a global economic downturn. You remainiacs are pro EU left wing opportunists who are willing to jump on any and every pro EU band waggon that passes. Who knew lol. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 14, 2023 8:35:52 GMT
They are not as amusing as the Brexnits who did most of the moaning before the referendum, and now do most of the moaning again. And don't appear to have much to look forward to, to back up their claims on Brexit. It's been a huge let down so far. Not whinging, just saying Perhaps people were moaning before the referendum because they were annoyed about the way we were handed to the EU, without a referendum. Hey it's a thought. Brexit has not been a let down. How can it be? Brexit was designed to remove the UK from the EU which is what the majority voted for, and that is exactly what happened, eventually. Thanks to pro EU politicians who don't give a damn what the majority want it took a lot longer that it should have, but democracy in the end prevailed. You remainiacs are fond of blaming Brexit for everything from the crucifixion to the price of bread, but the fact is the €urozone is in exactly the same situation, in some cases significantly worse, is this because of Brexit too? Or is it due to Covid and it's legacy, war in Ukraine, fuel prices and a global economic downturn. You remainiacs are pro EU left wing opportunists who are willing to jump on any and every pro EU band waggon that passes. Who knew lol. They were quite happy to stay in the EUSSR when they knew full well that we were taken in there under a blatant lie by nothing more than a... [edited by Moderator]. We had 40years of that bullshit before we got our say. Moderation request - please keep the discussion civil. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 14, 2023 10:34:33 GMT
They are not as amusing as the Brexnits who did most of the moaning before the referendum, and now do most of the moaning again. And don't appear to have much to look forward to, to back up their claims on Brexit. It's been a huge let down so far. Not whinging, just saying Perhaps people were moaning before the referendum because they were annoyed about the way we were handed to the EU, without a referendum. Hey it's a thought. Brexit has not been a let down. How can it be? Brexit was designed to remove the UK from the EU which is what the majority voted for, and that is exactly what happened, eventually. Thanks to pro EU politicians who don't give a damn what the majority want it took a lot longer that it should have, but democracy in the end prevailed. You remainiacs are fond of blaming Brexit for everything from the crucifixion to the price of bread, but the fact is the €urozone is in exactly the same situation, in some cases significantly worse, is this because of Brexit too? Or is it due to Covid and it's legacy, war in Ukraine, fuel prices and a global economic downturn. You remainiacs are pro EU left wing opportunists who are willing to jump on any and every pro EU band waggon that passes. Who knew lol. The MSM and every other Europhile with a mic near their mouth have done a superb job in perceiving Brexit to be the apocalypse they predicted it would be before 2016. People are gullible enough to believe every problem Britain faces is because of Brexit. Britain had many of these problems whilst it was a member of the EU. It's also been out of the SM for 2 years only. Perception is everything in today's social-media diet of confirmation bias. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 14, 2023 10:36:48 GMT
How's that post Brexit reduction in red tape going?
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 14, 2023 10:44:08 GMT
Better than remainer predictions and lies of a world of doom without the EU holding our hand and co-governing us!
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 10:44:58 GMT
Perhaps people were moaning before the referendum because they were annoyed about the way we were handed to the EU, without a referendum. Hey it's a thought. Brexit has not been a let down. How can it be? Brexit was designed to remove the UK from the EU which is what the majority voted for, and that is exactly what happened, eventually. Thanks to pro EU politicians who don't give a damn what the majority want it took a lot longer that it should have, but democracy in the end prevailed. You remainiacs are fond of blaming Brexit for everything from the crucifixion to the price of bread, but the fact is the €urozone is in exactly the same situation, in some cases significantly worse, is this because of Brexit too? Or is it due to Covid and it's legacy, war in Ukraine, fuel prices and a global economic downturn. You remainiacs are pro EU left wing opportunists who are willing to jump on any and every pro EU band waggon that passes. Who knew lol. The MSM and every other Europhile with a mic near their mouth have done a superb job in perceiving Brexit to be the apocalypse they predicted it would be before 2016. People are gullible enough to believe every problem Britain faces is because of Brexit. Britain had many of these problems whilst it was a member of the EU. It's also been out of the SM for 2 years only. Perception is everything in today's social-media diet of confirmation bias. Couldn't agree more, well said. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 10:46:11 GMT
How's that post Brexit reduction in red tape going? It's being held up and frustrated by pro EU remainiacs in parliament, just as Brexit was. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 14, 2023 10:57:00 GMT
How's that post Brexit reduction in red tape going? It's being held up and frustrated by pro EU remainiacs in parliament, just as Brexit was. I thought Brexit means Brexit. Is this Conservative government incapable of implementing its policies? It has the largest majority since Blair, what's their problem? Too busy fighting culture wars and placating their overlords with tax cuts for the rich? Perhaps it's time for a change of leader again. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 11:04:24 GMT
It's being held up and frustrated by pro EU remainiacs in parliament, just as Brexit was. I thought Brexit means Brexit. Is this Conservative government incapable of implementing its policies? It has the largest majority since Blair, what's their problem? Too busy fighting culture wars and placating their overlords with tax cuts for the rich? Perhaps it's time for a change of leader again. Monte, I'm increasingly of the opinion you have just landed on this planet. FYI, since 23 June 2016, the pro EU House of Lords, pro EU politicians on both sides of the house, and a very pro EU speaker have done their utmost to frustrate anything to do with Brexit. And they continue to do this. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 11:05:08 GMT
Perhaps people were moaning before the referendum because they were annoyed about the way we were handed to the EU, without a referendum. Hey it's a thought. Brexit has not been a let down. How can it be? Brexit was designed to remove the UK from the EU which is what the majority voted for, and that is exactly what happened, eventually. Thanks to pro EU politicians who don't give a damn what the majority want it took a lot longer that it should have, but democracy in the end prevailed. You remainiacs are fond of blaming Brexit for everything from the crucifixion to the price of bread, but the fact is the €urozone is in exactly the same situation, in some cases significantly worse, is this because of Brexit too? Or is it due to Covid and it's legacy, war in Ukraine, fuel prices and a global economic downturn. You remainiacs are pro EU left wing opportunists who are willing to jump on any and every pro EU band waggon that passes. Who knew lol. They were quite happy to stay in the EUSSR when they knew full well that we were taken in there under a blatant lie by nothing more than a... [edited by Moderator]. We had 40years of that bullshit before we got our say. Moderation request - please keep the discussion civil.Edited by which moderator? Ahh of course, no great surprise there. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 14, 2023 11:10:06 GMT
They were quite happy to stay in the EUSSR when they knew full well that we were taken in there under a blatant lie by nothing more than a... [edited by Moderator]. We had 40years of that bullshit before we got our say. Moderation request - please keep the discussion civil.Edited by which moderator? Ahh of course, no great surprise there. It says bottom right who edited a post last. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 14, 2023 11:11:35 GMT
It's being held up and frustrated by pro EU remainiacs in parliament, just as Brexit was. I thought Brexit means Brexit. Is this Conservative government incapable of implementing its policies? It has the largest majority since Blair, what's their problem? Too busy fighting culture wars and placating their overlords with tax cuts for the rich? Perhaps it's time for a change of leader again. Perhaps it's time for a cull in Whitehall and get shot of an ideological and Millennial group-think that is unable to think without Brussels watching over them. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 11:12:53 GMT
Edited by which moderator? Ahh of course, no great surprise there. It says bottom right who edited a post last. I realised a second after hitting the send button. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 14, 2023 11:39:20 GMT
Of course the decision was made and endorsed by 4% of the population. Not convincingly democratic but under UK law, enough. But the results are far from finished. First it has become clear that the reasons for voting Leave were either a vote against Cameron or a superficial response to very emotional arguments including words like "patriotic" and "traitors" in the Murdoch press. Secondly the issues that are emerging now were never debated. For example the reason why so many marine animals are washing up dead on the East coast is because of building new freeports. And studies have shown that freeports don't improve the national economy...maybe the local economy slightly. The results of the NI protocol still doesn't have an answer. No one has yet totted up the number of businesses closed due to Brexit, or the extra costs due to customs charges. Some of the shortages of medicines is down to brexit transport issues. Not to mention the problems in the NHS. The vote may be over. The results are just starting. Project fear is here now. And as for borders, the minute leavers cheered, the UK lost the right to return migrants to France. A blatant open own goal which benefitted the people smugglers and cost the UK billions of pounds in trying to deal with the problem . Rees Mogg was bunged loads money to find Brexit benefits. His conclusion was that signage in a tunnel was now more clear. The UK will spend years and billions paying off the mistake. The discussion about turning the clock back is pointless. The EU won't want us back...they don't need us ( another lie) and in fact the number of anti EU citizens has fallen . The UK led an army that didn't exist. www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/10/13/positive-views-of-european-union-reach-new-highs-in-many-countries/We are alone now and have a much harder future than we would have had. The water companies have been able to getvaround EU water quality regulations because they dontcapply anymore. Going over old ground just makes it even more difficult. We need to accept the reality of our "democratic" decision and make the best of it we can. With one hand tied behind our backs. And at least around 2/3 of the country now accept that. Perhaps the other 1/3 should start to do the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 14:54:28 GMT
The Referendum was a "Blunderbuss" because it encompassed all and everything, which it should not have done, and most people simply did not understand the repercussions.
THe vote to Leave meant that we left the European Union, left the Single Market, left the Customs Union, left the European Economic Area, it took us further away from Europe than where we were prior to joining the Common Market.
We left dozens of areas of co-operation, from atomic energy and research, science, medicine, education, defence, airospace, communications, and it ended the Free Movement of People, which as many Brits enjoyed as other Europeans who have enjoyed who came here to live and work.
The Leave campaigners and voters cannot now sustain the lies, and they cannot now justify leaving, because there are no benefits.
Of the G7 most advanced economies in the world, the UK has had the poorest economic performance since 2016, with persistent low growth, and there is a reason for this.
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