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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 13, 2023 14:59:14 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2023 15:03:09 GMT
So why are ex remainers happy? We are still out of the EU.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 13, 2023 15:14:37 GMT
So why are ex remainers happy? We are still out of the EU. Schadenfreude. We can recite a long list of ''told you so'' and point to the likelihood of a glorious return. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2023 15:21:30 GMT
So why are ex remainers happy? We are still out of the EU. Schadenfreude. We can recite a long list of ''told you so'' and point to the likelihood of a glorious return. Iirc we effectively left in 2019 and there are still lots of loose ends to tie yet. I doubt that there will be a return within the next decade and I doubt that it will be a glorious one if we do. If the ex remainers are getting excited about a possible return to the EU under worse conditions than when we left then they need to give their heads a little shake. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 13, 2023 16:10:21 GMT
Schadenfreude. We can recite a long list of ''told you so'' and point to the likelihood of a glorious return. Iirc we effectively left in 2019 and there are still lots of loose ends to tie yet. I doubt that there will be a return within the next decade and I doubt that it will be a glorious one if we do. If the ex remainers are getting excited about a possible return to the EU under worse conditions than when we left then they need to give their heads a little shake. I agree. We will never get the favourable terms we had before. We'll have to give up the Pound for a start plus Thatcher's discount. Probably have to join the Schengen zone too. None of which I'm particularly happy about. Just makes it all the more frustrating that a couple of populist halfwits managed to convince so many people to damage our future so recklessly. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2023 16:19:25 GMT
Iirc we effectively left in 2019 and there are still lots of loose ends to tie yet. I doubt that there will be a return within the next decade and I doubt that it will be a glorious one if we do. If the ex remainers are getting excited about a possible return to the EU under worse conditions than when we left then they need to give their heads a little shake. I agree. We will never get the favourable terms we had before. We'll have to give up the Pound for a start plus Thatcher's discount. Probably have to join the Schengen zone too. None of which I'm particularly happy about. Just makes it all the more frustrating that a couple of populist halfwits managed to convince so many people to damage our future so recklessly. Uncontrolled migration was the cause of Brexit. Imo the other narratives were not nearly as important to the people who voted to leave . Whoever is responsible for opening that door is to blame ..imo. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 13, 2023 16:22:39 GMT
I agree. We will never get the favourable terms we had before. We'll have to give up the Pound for a start plus Thatcher's discount. Probably have to join the Schengen zone too. None of which I'm particularly happy about. Just makes it all the more frustrating that a couple of populist halfwits managed to convince so many people to damage our future so recklessly. Uncontrolled migration was the cause of Brexit. Imo the other narratives were not nearly as important to the people who voted to leave . Whoever is responsible for opening that door is to blame ..imo. Well thank the Lord we don't have a problem with that anymore. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2023 16:29:08 GMT
Uncontrolled migration was the cause of Brexit. Imo the other narratives were not nearly as important to the people who voted to leave . Whoever is responsible for opening that door is to blame ..imo. Well thank the Lord we don't have a problem with that anymore. I don’t think that there are many migrants from the EU coming into the EU . Otherwise the Ex remainers wouldn’t be whining about not having enough of them to run the NHS, farm the land , pay the pensions or any other problem that they claim about lack of East Europeans after Brexit. As for the Albanians floating in from France …I’m not convinced there would be less if we were still in the EU. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 13, 2023 16:58:37 GMT
So why are ex remainers happy? We are still out of the EU. When I was over the states mate many of the guys I work with use marshaltown trowels ect. I tokk a long list of items that the guys wanted including many plastering trowels for plasterers. I purchased those in the states it was about a grands worth and being made in the staes was far superior to the Marshalton gear hich is produced in Spain. I paid very little tax on them this end as they are deemed tools of the trade. If we had purchased them in this country they would have cost twice as much and would have been far inferior in quality. Another win win... |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 13, 2023 18:50:11 GMT
Uncontrolled migration was the cause of Brexit. Imo the other narratives were not nearly as important to the people who voted to leave . Whoever is responsible for opening that door is to blame ..imo. Well thank the Lord we don't have a problem with that anymore. That is not caused by Brexit though that is caused by ineffectual and/or unwilling politicians to deal with an issue. If they were EU wide, and we were still in, our ability to remove them would be very slim. Our ability to remove a government such as we have is pretty high but then that chance has to be taken |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 13, 2023 19:53:29 GMT
So why are ex remainers happy? We are still out of the EU. When I was over the states mate many of the guys I work with use marshaltown trowels ect. I tokk a long list of items that the guys wanted including many plastering trowels for plasterers. I purchased those in the states it was about a grands worth and being made in the staes was far superior to the Marshalton gear hich is produced in Spain. I paid very little tax on them this end as they are deemed tools of the trade. If we had purchased them in this country they would have cost twice as much and would have been far inferior in quality. Another win win... I have a Marshalltown bricky trowel, had it for 50 years or more. When I was renovating my house in France some builders who were working down the road stopped and looked in amazement at my "truelle", they'd never seen anything like it before. They lay bricks and terracottas with a fecking gauging trowel and with mortar like a load of chaff. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 13, 2023 20:13:02 GMT
Iirc we effectively left in 2019 and there are still lots of loose ends to tie yet. I doubt that there will be a return within the next decade and I doubt that it will be a glorious one if we do. If the ex remainers are getting excited about a possible return to the EU under worse conditions than when we left then they need to give their heads a little shake. I agree. We will never get the favourable terms we had before. We'll have to give up the Pound for a start plus Thatcher's discount. Probably have to join the Schengen zone too. None of which I'm particularly happy about. Just makes it all the more frustrating that a couple of populist halfwits managed to convince so many people to damage our future so recklessly. If Heath had had his way we would have had monetary union by 1980. Blair gave away some of the discount and there is no saying that if an ardently pro EU government had come in we would have been joining the Euro and Schengen. Neither were cast in stone as opt outs |
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Post by see2 on Jan 13, 2023 23:29:50 GMT
Yes but how many of those Brexiteers have changed their minds or died of old age since then Red Gammon? After all it was just over 3 years ago that Bo-Jo won a GE and we've had 2 more PMs since then. Sometimes you just have to own up to your mistakes. I would suggest very few, but tbh, it's not something I'm bothered about. The long overdue referendum has happened, it's the past. I regard moaning remainiacs with amusement, tinged with pity. They are not as amusing as the Brexnits who did most of the moaning before the referendum, and now do most of the moaning again. And don't appear to have much to look forward to, to back up their claims on Brexit. It's been a huge let down so far. Not whinging, just saying  |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 14, 2023 0:02:20 GMT
Brexit came about because of a thing called democracy, where the people have a vote. So we all voted. If anyone wants/needs to listen to the news, politicians, neighbours, or family etc.. on how to vote, that's their problem. If they then cry foul because the vote didn't go their way, so they claim they were lied to etc.., that's their problem. So a democratic vote was undertaken and the government decided to go with the will of the people, despite the referendum outcome not being legally binding. So anyone who disputes the outcome, ain't democratic, full stop.
As for crumpets, I have to put them through the toaster about 3 times and then put lashings of butter on.
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 14, 2023 0:53:49 GMT
Iirc we effectively left in 2019 and there are still lots of loose ends to tie yet. I doubt that there will be a return within the next decade and I doubt that it will be a glorious one if we do. If the ex remainers are getting excited about a possible return to the EU under worse conditions than when we left then they need to give their heads a little shake. I agree. We will never get the favourable terms we had before. We'll have to give up the Pound for a start plus Thatcher's discount. Probably have to join the Schengen zone too. None of which I'm particularly happy about. Just makes it all the more frustrating that a couple of populist halfwits managed to convince so many people to damage our future so recklessly. I don't believe there are enough halfwits in this nation to give up their currency in order to join that behemoth! That makes re-entry all the less likely, and looks more like unicorns and sunny uplands than anything else. Good luck trying to sell that to the nation. |
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