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Post by B0ycey on Oct 16, 2022 7:25:49 GMT
Sunak is the choice of the World Economic Forum and the IMF. Just embrace the new world order and do as you are told.. He was right about getting the growth before the tax cuts though. He does seem like a safe pair of hands and maybe could turn the fortune of the Tories around if they oust out that useless Diz Truss. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2022 7:34:15 GMT
Sunak is the choice of the World Economic Forum and the IMF. Just embrace the new world order and do as you are told.. . He does seem like a safe pair of hands and maybe could turn the fortune of the Tories around if they oust out that useless Diz Truss. Only if you believe that high levels of taxation have no impact on growth. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 16, 2022 7:59:07 GMT
He was right about getting the growth before the tax cuts though. He does seem like a safe pair of hands and maybe could turn the fortune of the Tories around if they oust out that useless Diz Truss. Only if you believe that high levels of taxation have no impact on growth. Taxation does impact growth. But you can achieve growth in other ways. One way is to rejoin the single market. Although knowing Sunak, he would have used his influence to set up trade deals with India and the rest of the world. Another way to achieve growth is borrowing to build up infrastructure, Labours approach. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 15:45:29 GMT
Sunak is the choice of the World Economic Forum and the IMF. Just embrace the new world order and do as you are told.. Not really, Mordaunt was the one who was more "One Nation Tory". IMHO both Sunak and Truss (and her recent CHancellor) were the choice of the IMF/WB/WEF etc. The IMF didn't get what it hoped for though hence the rebukes. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 16, 2022 20:28:40 GMT
Agree on Mordaunt being more a One Nation Tory
If Hunt and Truss can get the economy on surer footing together they stand a chance in the next election.
She will need to be able to withstand the rabid attacks from the usual suspects of Labour and certain media fronts as well as a few from her own side, especially this week.
If interest rates fall she might survive.
I would expect income tax to go back to 20%.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2022 21:53:28 GMT
Sunak is the choice of the World Economic Forum and the IMF. Just embrace the new world order and do as you are told.. Mordaunt was the one who was more "One Nation Tory". IMHO both Sunak and Truss (and her recent CHancellor) were the choice of the IMF/WB/WEF etc. The IMF didn't get what it hoped for though hence the rebukes. I say that Sunak was the choice of the WEF and IMF. You say - 'not really' and then go on to say that Sunak was the choice of the IMF and WEF..... well I'm sure that makes sense to you..  |
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Post by sword on Oct 16, 2022 22:21:03 GMT
That's a shame given it is against my religion to vote Tories. Where I live my vote doesn't matter either. But I cannot stand watching Truss Dizzying around bankrupting the country and so I am liking the polls right now and hoping she gets her caesar moment. Oh, my vote very much matters - it's a very marginal area. But don't you worry - Truss will be long gone by the next GE. I think Blundertruss could be gone by this time next week. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 22:33:20 GMT
Not really, Mordaunt was the one who was more "One Nation Tory". IMHO both Sunak and Truss (and her recent CHancellor) were the choice of the IMF/WB/WEF etc. The IMF didn't get what it hoped for though hence the rebukes. I say that Sunak was the choice of the WEF and IMF. Yes, and I agreed with that part.
No, I said both Sunak and Truss are the choices of the IMF and WEF et al - you insinuated Truss wasn't.
Hence "not really".
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 5:45:46 GMT
Red Sunak is the best chance the Tories have got! If Truss goes, they need to install Rishi without twatting about with leadership contests. Failing that, a General election must be triggered. BC, you claim 'Sunak is the best chance the Tories have got'. Best chance for what; electoral defeat? Not that it matters now. The reason party members didn't vote for Sunak is because he is the establishments choice. He is not a Conservative, he is a centrist and a pro EU globalist. (Just like Hunt) The reason I say it doesn't matter is because over the past several months the Tories haven't just shot themselves in the foot, they've shot themselves in both feet, both legs and are currently on self inflicted life support. I have never seen a political party with such a huge majority so effectively destroy themselves. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 17, 2022 6:04:58 GMT
Red Sunak is the best chance the Tories have got! If Truss goes, they need to install Rishi without twatting about with leadership contests. Failing that, a General election must be triggered. BC, you claim 'Sunak is the best chance the Tories have got'. Best chance for what; electoral defeat? Isn't Truss predicted by one poll to get just 4 seats? Sunak is generally liked by the markets. A leader that is part of the establishment might not appeal to you, but if the electorate see a stabilisation in markets is achieved, unity in the party, good communication and more than 4 questions answered to the media, it isn't unthinkable Sunak could alter the polls around. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2022 6:20:51 GMT
BC, you claim 'Sunak is the best chance the Tories have got'. Best chance for what; electoral defeat? Isn't Truss predicted by one poll to get just 4 seats? Sunak is generally liked by the markets. A leader that is part of the establishment might not appeal to you, but if the electorate see a stabilisation in markets is achieved, unity in the party, good communication and more than 4 questions answered to the media, it isn't unthinkable Sunak could alter the polls around. I agree, Sunak is indeed liked by the markets, but are we governed by the prime minister and government, or by the WEF and Goldman Sachs. Sunak didn't just not appeal to me, he obviously didn't appeal to the majority of party membership either. However, as I've said elsewhere, I think it's game over for the Tories, they're imploding. |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 17, 2022 6:28:49 GMT
Isn't Truss predicted by one poll to get just 4 seats? Sunak is generally liked by the markets. A leader that is part of the establishment might not appeal to you, but if the electorate see a stabilisation in markets is achieved, unity in the party, good communication and more than 4 questions answered to the media, it isn't unthinkable Sunak could alter the polls around. I agree, Sunak is indeed liked by the markets, but are we governed by the prime minister and government, or by the WEF and Goldman Sachs. Sunak didn't just not appeal to me, he obviously didn't appeal to the majority of party membership either. However, as I've said elsewhere, I think it's game over for the Tories, they're imploding. The Tory members just heard tax cuts for the wealthy and just didn't care about the UK at all. I doubt Truss would have won if the vote was national. But it should be said, you are just one man. The question is, when an election is held, do the Tories have a better chance with Truss or Sunak in power given that Truss is polling worse than both May and Johnson at their worse and predicted to achieve by one poll 4 seats? It maybe true that Sunak as PM, the Tories would still implode, but out of the two, I would say Sunak has the better chance of turning things around. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2022 6:48:58 GMT
I say that Sunak was the choice of the WEF and IMF. Yes, and I agreed with that part.
No, I said both Sunak and Truss are the choices of the IMF and WEF et al - you insinuated Truss wasn't.
Hence "not really".
Ah I now understand - given that the Truss budget was condemned by politicians and the great and good around the globe I'm sure you are totally correct though. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 17, 2022 18:14:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 23:58:22 GMT
Yes, and I agreed with that part.
No, I said both Sunak and Truss are the choices of the IMF and WEF et al - you insinuated Truss wasn't.
Hence "not really".
Ah I now understand - given that the Truss budget was condemned by politicians and the great and good around the globe I'm sure you are totally correct though. I explained that part in the other post. They thought she would be good and would do their bidding but they were wrong.
I think Mordaunt is someone they had it in for, there were others who they really hated, had they gotten in.
My personal preference has always been someone like David Davis, he actually had a few principles. Or someone like Johnny Mercer (I find his stance on immunity re NI very disturbing but apart from that he would have been the best). I'm pretty sure neither of them ran or had a chance. They never liked Tugenhadt despite him seeming OK too; he did run.
However, the more I think about it, the more I think Ben Wallace should be Tory leader.
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