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Post by Pacifico on Jan 26, 2023 22:39:14 GMT
Unable to read the article. Just shouts "lefty woke". Unable to debate the points. 🙄 Well the point is that there are illegal - as your link highlights. The point with Asylum Seekers is that they cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally - again as your link highlights. But they are still illegal... |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 26, 2023 23:51:35 GMT
Unable to read the article. Just shouts "lefty woke". Unable to debate the points. 🙄 Well the point is that there are illegal - as your link highlights. The point with Asylum Seekers is that they cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally - again as your link highlights. But they are still illegal...It's like trying to get through to a two year old. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2023 5:37:43 GMT
I think Rishi is not doing too badly right now. He's trying to bust the unions and he is not wimping out like many would do. It's the unions who fuck up the industry, e.g. the railways would run much more efficiently if the management didn't have to get union permission for every improvement they try and make. Rishi knows they will burn out at some point. It's like every bastard is trying to go on strike so eventually the rest of us will understand they are taking the piss and start to move against them, much as Lady Thatcher did with Scargill. Tice is a jerk who wants to increase nurses pay by cutting people's benefits, which are struggling right now. A train driver gets £65 000 PA, the average nurse is paid £54 500 PA*. People on universal credit are being paid pence above the min wage for totally shit jobs, so if anyone is having a hard time it is they. Also one other thing. Try as they might, the left have not found any dirt on Rishi. His biggest crime to date was being photoed with Johnson pouring beer. That was more like blackmail I suppose. You may think Sunak is doing well, there are millions of people in this country who do not. He doesn't seem to understand the level of feeling over continued mass illegal immigration from the EU. 50,000 last year and if reports are to be believed the Home Office are planning for 80,000 this year. This is costing £billions and people are sick of it, people have had enough of being called racists because they want the invasion stopped, this is why people will vote for Richard Tice and his Reform party. As for benefits; we have become a benefits dependent society. For many people claiming benefits is a way of life and more profitable than going to work, this is mad. And the average nurse doesn't earn £54,000, I believe that is what a senior intensive care nurse earns. The average nurse earns £33,000, which may not be a kings ransom, but in my opinion anyone who cant manage on £33,000 needs to be taught how to manage money. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 27, 2023 12:42:47 GMT
I think Rishi is not doing too badly right now. He's trying to bust the unions and he is not wimping out like many would do. It's the unions who fuck up the industry, e.g. the railways would run much more efficiently if the management didn't have to get union permission for every improvement they try and make. Rishi knows they will burn out at some point. It's like every bastard is trying to go on strike so eventually the rest of us will understand they are taking the piss and start to move against them, much as Lady Thatcher did with Scargill. Tice is a jerk who wants to increase nurses pay by cutting people's benefits, which are struggling right now. A train driver gets £65 000 PA, the average nurse is paid £54 500 PA*. People on universal credit are being paid pence above the min wage for totally shit jobs, so if anyone is having a hard time it is they. Also one other thing. Try as they might, the left have not found any dirt on Rishi. His biggest crime to date was being photoed with Johnson pouring beer. That was more like blackmail I suppose. You may think Sunak is doing well, there are millions of people in this country who do not. He doesn't seem to understand the level of feeling over continued mass illegal immigration from the EU. 50,000 last year and if reports are to be believed the Home Office are planning for 80,000 this year. This is costing £billions and people are sick of it, people have had enough of being called racists because they want the invasion stopped, this is why people will vote for Richard Tice and his Reform party. As for benefits; we have become a benefits dependent society. For many people claiming benefits is a way of life and more profitable than going to work, this is mad. And the average nurse doesn't earn £54,000, I believe that is what a senior intensive care nurse earns. The average nurse earns £33,000, which may not be a kings ransom, but in my opinion anyone who cant manage on £33,000 needs to be taught how to manage money. I gave you the link to nurses pay. The problem with the immigration is the ECHR. It takes time to fix these matters. The lawyers are likely to take them to the Supreme Court regarding the Rwanda flight. It's not through lack of trying.
As for benefits being a way of life, well you have been brainwashed by the Daily Mail. Most jobs advertised in this area are min wage. The nurses can basically fuck off and so too with the train drivers. We should get in some foreign workers and train some more up in the meantime.
Yes I know a lot of people hate Rishi and his plans. That's because they are socialist wankers. Tice is as well. You tend to find this. The so-called "far right" are just militant socialists. Capitalists on the other hand pay what the market will bear.I was brought up this way, and my father was a capitalist too, so for me it is totally natural. He reckons the unions are commies. Tice is in with them.
Yes sure the Cons have much room for improvement. They could cut the woke out as well, but on the radio yesterday I heard a right load of Beeb scandal. Not all of the Windrush recommendations are to be followed and there will be no public funding of propaganda events to remind people. The BBC was experiencing horror. I saw it as a good sign.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 13:41:02 GMT
The far right is like the far left in this country, neither side has ever managed to make a breakthrough into mainstream politics.
Richard Tice has about as much chance of wiping out the Tories as Nigel Farage did, and he didn't get very far.
There simply are not enough people in this country who are Xenophobes to give Reform UK a breakthrough into mainstream politics. All wind and hot air.
Recent polling puts Reform on 6 or 7 points, behind the Lib Dems
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 13:56:11 GMT
The far right is like the far left in this country, neither side has ever managed to make a breakthrough into mainstream politics. Richard Tice has about as much chance of wiping out the Tories as Nigel Farage did, and he didn't get very far. There simply are not enough people in this country who are Xenophobes to give Reform UK a breakthrough into mainstream politics. All wind and hot air. Recent polling puts Reform on 6 or 7 points, behind the Lib Dems The thing is those 6 points will be taken from the Tories, which will seriously affect their already slim chances in the marginals. I know a week is a long time in politics, but the Tories losing the next election is looking a dead cert. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 27, 2023 14:03:14 GMT
The conservatives have been painting their tombstone with rainbows since Cameron. They can either pull their heads out of their arses and provide an actual alternative to socialistic managerial totalitarianism, or there is no point to them being there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 14:12:58 GMT
There s no room for Tory agendas ... The really big Tory policy number 1 is tax cuts, there s no room for tax cuts, because growth is poor and we are probably going into a recession, theres nothing more to cut, public services are barely functioning ( some are not functioning properly ), because they have be repeatedly cut over 11 years.
There s no headroom, no room to manouvre for the Conservatives, basically they are f***ed
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 27, 2023 16:03:27 GMT
The far right is like the far left in this country, neither side has ever managed to make a breakthrough into mainstream politics. Richard Tice has about as much chance of wiping out the Tories as Nigel Farage did, and he didn't get very far. There simply are not enough people in this country who are Xenophobes to give Reform UK a breakthrough into mainstream politics. All wind and hot air. Recent polling puts Reform on 6 or 7 points, behind the Lib Dems The thing is those 6 points will be taken from the Tories, which will seriously affect their already slim chances in the marginals. I know a week is a long time in politics, but the Tories losing the next election is looking a dead cert. I don't reckon so. UKIP was pulling in a lot from Labour, like the old industrial wastelands of the Midlands and North, plus the deserted coastal towns once known as holiday resorts. This is why Tice is appealing to striking nurses which are being led by commie union bosses. Rishi will make it if he gets the economy back on track. That's his strong point. He is a financial wizard and was indeed trained as one and then went on to work an investment fund. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 27, 2023 16:59:58 GMT
...The so-called "far right" are just militant socialists... Is about the only part you've got right. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 27, 2023 17:00:58 GMT
There s no room for Tory agendas ... The really big Tory policy number 1 is tax cuts, there s no room for tax cuts, because growth is poor and we are probably going into a recession, theres nothing more to cut, public services are barely functioning ( some are not functioning properly ), because they have be repeatedly cut over 11 years. There s no headroom, no room to manouvre for the Conservatives, basically they are f***ed As are Labour. We are in the middle of a cost of living crisis - there is no headroom for tax rises either. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 27, 2023 17:30:46 GMT
There s no room for Tory agendas ... The really big Tory policy number 1 is tax cuts, there s no room for tax cuts, because growth is poor and we are probably going into a recession, theres nothing more to cut, public services are barely functioning ( some are not functioning properly ), because they have be repeatedly cut over 11 years. There s no headroom, no room to manouvre for the Conservatives, basically they are f***ed As are Labour. We are in the middle of a cost of living crisis - there is no headroom for tax rises either. There is more waste in the NHS than you can possibly imagine. It ran better in the days when it had half the real term budget that it does now. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 27, 2023 17:56:14 GMT
Unable to read the article. Just shouts "lefty woke". Unable to debate the points. 🙄 Well the point is that there are illegal - as your link highlights. The point with Asylum Seekers is that they cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally - again as your link highlights. But they are still illegal... Agree that they cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally, think that we agree on this bit. However, in answer to "If you come to the UK illegally, you are an illegal migrant", it opens with "Not in all cases.". So your summary "But they are still illegal..." is incorrect, or at least an oversimplification of the facts. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2023 22:28:11 GMT
Well the point is that there are illegal - as your link highlights. The point with Asylum Seekers is that they cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally - again as your link highlights. But they are still illegal... Agree that they cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally, think that we agree on this bit. However, in answer to "If you come to the UK illegally, you are an illegal migrant", it opens with "Not in all cases.". So your summary "But they are still illegal..." is incorrect, or at least an oversimplification of the facts. Point me to the part in your link (or link to any other site) that shows that demanding asylum makes you a legal migrant. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 27, 2023 22:49:14 GMT
Agree that they cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally, think that we agree on this bit. However, in answer to "If you come to the UK illegally, you are an illegal migrant", it opens with "Not in all cases.". So your summary "But they are still illegal..." is incorrect, or at least an oversimplification of the facts. Point me to the part in your link (or link to any other site) that shows that demanding asylum makes you a legal migrant.The silence will be deafening... |
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