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Post by borchester on Jan 5, 2023 1:07:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 9:19:08 GMT
It would be interesting if he was successful, Borchester, but when the real votes come around people tend to sit back in their comfortable chairs and put their cross in the same old box.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 5, 2023 12:01:46 GMT
Can we know what type of bitch without clicking on Bitches-R-US at the British Bitching Corporation?
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 5, 2023 14:16:29 GMT
I honestly think the Tories have more to fear from Reform than they do from Labour. What's going on at the moment reminds me of 20 years ago and the rise of UKIP. Initially the Tories openly laughed at Farage and UKIP, I remember Cameron famously calling UKIP fruitcakes and closet racists. He wasn't quite so glib when UKIP were polling 13% and supported mainly by Tory voters.
Well that's how it's going with Reform. If Sunak doesn't move the government to the centre right, and he hasn't got much time left, then Tory voters will vote Reform. And In spite of the polls I think Labour will struggle to win the next election and that's largely due to the fact they have a grey, dull, unimaginative, boring pro EU pro immigrant leader who talks a lot, but says nothing.
Whether or not Richard Tice wipes the floor with the Tories remains to be seen, but it's not up to Richard Tice, it's entirely up to Sunak. And I'll be honest, I don't think he's up to it. Sunak is as Boring as Starmer. As far as I'm concerned in both the cabinet and the shadow cabinet we have a bunch of talentless no hopers to vote for. I say lets give Richard Tice a chance. Can Reform really be any worse than a centrist Labour party or the centrist conservatives?
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Post by thomas on Jan 5, 2023 14:30:58 GMT
I honestly think the Tories have more to fear from Reform than they do from Labour. What's going on at the moment reminds me of 20 years ago and the rise of UKIP. Initially the Tories openly laughed at Farage and UKIP, I remember Cameron famously calling UKIP fruitcakes and closet racists. He wasn't quite so glib when UKIP were polling 13% and supported mainly by Tory voters. Well that's how it's going with Reform. If Sunak doesn't move the government to the centre right, and he hasn't got must time left, then Tory voters will vote Reform. And In spite of the polls I think Labour will struggle to win the next election and that's largely due to the fact they have a grey, dull, unimaginative, boring pro EU pro immigrant leader who talks a lot, but says nothing. Whether or not Richard Tice wipes the floor with the Tories remains to be seen, but it's not up to Richard Tice, it's entirely up to Sunak. And I'll be honest, I don't think he's up to it. Sunak is as Boring as Starmer. As far as I'm concerned in both the cabinet and the shadow cabinet we have a bunch of talentless no hopers to vote for. I say lets give Richard Tice a chance. Can Reform really be any worse than a centrist Labour party or the centrist conservatives? i agree. The fear for the tories isnt that labour are much loved and basking in the sunshine of being a competent serious party , but the fact they might sneak in to power through the disgracefull two party fptp stitch up if tory brexit voters who are fed up with their bullshit move to tices reform uk.
i agree with your post.
Starmer is the most inept labour leader i can remember since foot , and at least foot stood out as having policy and standing on a platform of various issues however much people disagreed with him , and yet starmer is in danger of falling into power becuase he has the safety of the two party stitch up to protect his ineptitude ,while sitting on his hands saying and doing nothing. Such is the state of westmisnter politics.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 5, 2023 14:39:26 GMT
I honestly think the Tories have more to fear from Reform than they do from Labour. What's going on at the moment reminds me of 20 years ago and the rise of UKIP. Initially the Tories openly laughed at Farage and UKIP, I remember Cameron famously calling UKIP fruitcakes and closet racists. He wasn't quite so glib when UKIP were polling 13% and supported mainly by Tory voters. Well that's how it's going with Reform. If Sunak doesn't move the government to the centre right, and he hasn't got must time left, then Tory voters will vote Reform. And In spite of the polls I think Labour will struggle to win the next election and that's largely due to the fact they have a grey, dull, unimaginative, boring pro EU pro immigrant leader who talks a lot, but says nothing. Whether or not Richard Tice wipes the floor with the Tories remains to be seen, but it's not up to Richard Tice, it's entirely up to Sunak. And I'll be honest, I don't think he's up to it. Sunak is as Boring as Starmer. As far as I'm concerned in both the cabinet and the shadow cabinet we have a bunch of talentless no hopers to vote for. I say lets give Richard Tice a chance. Can Reform really be any worse than a centrist Labour party or the centrist conservatives? The UKIP in its early days was comprised of some pretty smart people. Some were not of course, but never-the-less the UKIP had figured out a way to pervert the course of politics, and unfortunately it was rather dirty. Well some was and some was not and some indeterminate.
The first thing the UKIP did was it was an early adopter of social media. The Tories were technically backwards, where the UKIP had YouTube channels, many regional and personal websites, forums dedicated to it and all of that. It took a while for the Tories to catch up.
The second trick was to play the media. One could try and justify this form of cheating by saying it was their own fault for being so anti-UKIP or whatever, but it turned out scandal sells, so all the UKIP needed to do for a massive promotion on zero budget was to come up with something outrageous. One of my favourites was from a religious chap who said the bad weather was God punishing us for being so gay. Every homo propaganda agent made it front page news. They thought they had the UKIP bang to rights, but the UKIP were smart enough to see the real likely reaction.
Anyhow this cheating and clown entertaining party was ending up being loved by the moron, and of course there are millions of morons who just like trash TV and are looking for a laugh. In fact it is these tricks which are traditionally played by Marxist politicians because all the fooling around and slogans and that hide the serious policy side of it. The goalposts were moved towards entertainment rather than how to run the country. Johnson would eventually learn the tricks and win a landslide. Recall Cambridge Analytica and the JCB trashing as polystyrene EU wall. All good fun, but the economy subsequently went south and the government incompetent and corrupt.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 5, 2023 19:29:27 GMT
The best the party can achieve IMO is to do to Sunak what the Gang of Four did to labour, bleed away voter support in low margin seats and thereby hand victory to the opposition.
Which might be a good thing.
The electorate have forgotten how truly disastrous labour are.
They need to be reminded.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 9, 2023 11:26:17 GMT
Richard Tice is an OK guy but he needs more fire in his belly. In the meantime Nigel has said he will not stand in the general election and I think he will maintain that view. However, I have no doubt he will be up there throwing punches when the electioneering starts, he already has a sizeable media presence and will no doubt get himself into an even better position. All being well, |I'll be doing some doorstepping for Reform, no party can be worse than those we've suffered for decades.
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Post by om15 on Jan 9, 2023 11:41:21 GMT
The Brexit Party frightened the Tories so much that they deposed Mrs May. It may be that the threat of the Reform Party may force the Tories to depose Ricky and put in a genuine Leaver with Conservative values, if they have such a person that is, the Tories have purged their ranks of right wingers so that it is possible that they can't recover. My own Tory MP is an absolute arse, remainer, liberal, never had a job before politics, the absolute example of a modern Tory waste of space. I too will give Reform a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 11:48:18 GMT
Richard Tice is an OK guy but he needs more fire in his belly. In the meantime Nigel has said he will not stand in the general election and I think he will maintain that view. However, I have no doubt he will be up there throwing punches when the electioneering starts, he already has a sizeable media presence and will no doubt get himself into an even better position. All being well, |I'll be doing some doorstepping for Reform, no party can be worse than those we've suffered for decades. In the next local elections I will be doing what I did in the last local elections and doorstepping for TUSC (Trade Union and Socialist Coalition) In the general elections it depends upon who is standing but if there is any truly left leaning candidate I will back him or her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 11:51:26 GMT
The electorate have forgotten how truly disastrous labour are. Whilst being daily reminded of how much more truly gobsmackingly disastrous the Tories are.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 20, 2023 8:56:04 GMT
It would be interesting if he was successful, Borchester, but when the real votes come around people tend to sit back in their comfortable chairs and put their cross in the same old box. I will be voting for Reform. I only voted Tory last time because Boris was the only PM who would get Brexit done. Given how many people were trying to stop us leaving I think Boris did pretty well. BUT I will NEVER vote for Sunak. I think that people's reluctance to vote for a new party (like Reform) is because so many people think that politicians run the country so they need experience. They don't. They simply create the policies that the Civil Service are meant to implement. And I like Reform's policies - they make sense.
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Post by om15 on Jan 20, 2023 11:40:15 GMT
It seems that the Reform parliamentary candidates that we know about are drawn from all walks of life, rather than straight from University after studying politics, therefore we might think that they have more experience than the current main party MPs.
I will be voting for Reform, my Tory MP is a Remainer, a May supporter and a Wanker. I suspect many might do the same.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2023 22:58:06 GMT
Latest email from Richard Tice 22/01/23. Quote : After 12 years of failure, the latest Tory minister says he’ll stop illegal immigration. At the very same time, civil service officials are preparing for illegal migration to double in 2023. That is 80,000 illegal arrivals in the UK. Tory betrayal knows no bounds. They are taking us for fools. In fact last week Rishi Sunak told us so. He said anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot. At least he is telling us what he really thinks. The only surprise is they still think they can get away with it. They won't. In 2022 net migration numbers reached a record high of 504,000. Over 45,000 illegal migrants crossed the channel, most smuggled over by criminal gangs. Five out of six illegal migrants are young men. Most come from safe countries. Many are sent to 4-star luxury hotels that most tax-payers could never afford. It is an utter disgrace. And now we know it will get even worse.So the latest announcements are just more Tory talk. But why now? Last Spring I made it clear that we will pick up illegal migrants and take them back. This can easily be done with existing laws. The Tories know it. They just don’t want to do it. At £7 million per day for processing contracts and housing, their friends make too much money from illegal immigration. That is why they are rolling out the same old lines. You can probably count the number of times you’ve heard them. They say they are going to cut red tape. Yet another make-believe agreement with France. More fast-track deportations that never happen. But here's the best joke of all. In November the new immigration minister said the government has a 10-point plan. Is this the same plan Rishi Sunak told us about last July? After which, about 25,000 more illegal migrants crossed the channel. Sadly it is. Not one promise kept. No small Boats Taskforce. No cap on the number of refugees accepted. Almost no deportations or prosecutions. The government are far too busy working out how to arrest people for thought crime. The problem is we are still in the European Convention on Human Rights. We are also part of the UN Refugee Convention. This gives asylum-seekers the right to travel to the UK through safe countries. And the civil service are still politicised in favour of open-borders. There is a shadow immigration system in place. It's a one-way street to benefits Britain. And we pay for it. The truth is that neither the Tories nor Labour will make any difference. Only Reform UK will break this bureaucratic hold over us. Only we have the bold leadership and political will to get the job done. We will stop this humiliation. That is why hundreds of new members are joining us every day. In the national polls we are nearly at half of the Conservative vote share. With a general election perhaps only 18 months away our momentum is growing fast.So I am hugely grateful to all of you, my fellow reformers, for your support and the fantastic work you have done. At street stalls, on the door-steps and at campaign events around the country, we are offering the British people a choice. For the first time in generations we are fighting for a real alternative to the Westminster establishment. This is just the beginning. Together we will make Britain great. Thank you for your continued support,Richard Tice Reform UK Leader
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2023 23:01:43 GMT
I may be a Tory voter, I may be a member of the Tory party, but they've blown it. I think it's time we gave a new party a chance.
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