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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 8, 2023 21:18:25 GMT
I broadly agree with this which is the whole problem. New Labour differed from the tories only insofar as they were prepared to throw a whole lot more money at the problem. Indeed. And which turned out not to solve the problems at all.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 8, 2023 21:20:06 GMT
I broadly agree with this which is the whole problem. New Labour differed from the tories only insofar as they were prepared to throw a whole lot more money at the problem. Indeed. And which turned out not to solve the problems at all. Yup they were as generous as a really generous person with an overdraft.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 8, 2023 21:41:17 GMT
Indeed. And which turned out not to solve the problems at all. Yup they were as generous as a really generous person with an overdraft. Yes. But there was another problem: New Labour recognised that many civil service “Managers” were incompetent and therefore simply giving them more money to waste was pointless. And they were correct. So they ring-fenced the extra funding such that it could only be spent on the things that New Labour decided it should be spent on. Unfortunately, New Labour overlooked the fact that they were also massively incompetent and so the extra funding ended up being ring-fenced for pointless vanity projects while leaving the real, deep-seated structural issues unaddressed. Then the Tories came in, saw all the waste and cut funding across the board leaving even less to address the real, structural issues. And that's where we again find ourselves today. An analogy, if you will: Imagine that you had a feckless spouse who spends all of your money in the bookies such that you can't afford shoes for your kids. And along comes your New Labour benefactor and they, rightly, recognise that giving the family more money is pointless because your feckless spouse will only spunk it down the bookies. So instead they pay for your hallway to be redecorated because that's where they decided that your money should be spent. And now, after great expense, your hallway looks great but you still can't afford shoes for the kids. Or fur hat and no knickers, if you prefer. Because that's New Labour that is.
And then the Tories turn up, see your new hallway and decide that anyone with a swanky hallway like that clearly doesn't need money and take it all off you. So you still can't afford shoes for the kids.
Because that's the Tories that is.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 8, 2023 22:11:46 GMT
Yup they were as generous as a really generous person with an overdraft. Yes. But there was another problem: New Labour recognised that many civil service “Managers” were incompetent and therefore simply giving them more money to waste was pointless. And they were correct. So they ring-fenced the extra funding such that it could only be spent on the things that New Labour decided it should be spent on. Unfortunately, New Labour overlooked the fact that they were also massively incompetent and so the extra funding ended up being ring-fenced for pointless vanity projects while leaving the real, deep-seated structural issues unaddressed. Then the Tories came in, saw all the waste and cut funding across the board leaving even less to address the real, structural issues. And that's where we again find ourselves today. An analogy, if you will: Imagine that you had a feckless spouse who spends all of your money in the bookies such that you can't afford shoes for your kids. And along comes your New Labour benefactor and they, rightly, recognise that giving the family more money is pointless because your feckless spouse will only spunk it down the bookies. So instead they pay for your hallway to be redecorated because that's where they decided that your money should be spent. And now, after great expense, your hallway looks great but you still can't afford shoes for the kids. Or fur hat and no knickers, if you prefer. Because that's New Labour that is.
And then the Tories turn up, see your new hallway and decide that anyone with a swanky hallway like that clearly doesn't need money and take it all off you. So you still can't afford shoes for the kids.
Because that's the Tories that is.
We’ve all been there …
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2023 22:14:07 GMT
Borrowed from another site: "Posted anonymously by an A&E doctor: Im writing this because I’m angry. Actually more than that, I’m fu*king livid. I’m an A&E reg with 9+ years experience in A&E both here and overseas. This morning was the first time EVER that I cried in my car after a shift. I was on nights over this New Years period, but New Year was not the issue, every shift is like this now. Where 5 years ago we had 50 patients in the department on handover at night, we now have 180. It used to be around 20 patients to see with a 1-2 hour wait for clinician, it’s now 60-70 with a 10 hour wait. People used to lose their minds if patients were coming up to 4 hour breaches. Last night 60% of the patients in A&E had been there for more than 12 hours, some for more than 40. Many I saw the night before, still in the same place when I came on. No triage or obs after 2 hours of arrival, no bloods or ECGs or gas for 4 hours. Regularly finding people in the waiting room after 4 hours with initial gases showing hyperkalamia or severe acidosis or hypoglycaemia. 87 year olds coming in after falls sitting on chairs for 18 hours. Other elderly patients lying in their own urine for hours because there’s no staff, or even room to change them into something dry. As the reg in charge of the shift, Ive had (on multiple occasions) to help the sole nurse in the area change patients by holding a sheet around the bed because we have to do it in the middle of a corridor. People lying on the floor because there’s no chairs left, trolleys parked literally wherever we can put them. Things have been getting even worse for the last 3 months. 5 weeks I came home raging to my wife that people are sitting in their own **** for hours and it’s so inhumane. Now we’ve got to the point where people are actually dying. People who’ve been in A&E for 2-3 days, The media and public might blame the A&E nurses and doctors for this, but honestly what the fu*k are we meant to do with 180 people in a department built for 50. With 8 nurses rather than the MINIMUM staffing of 12. 1 or 2 nurses per area, giving meds, doing obs, trying to provide basic cares to 25-30 people, an absolute impossibility. And there’s less nurses every week, because honestly why would you put yourself through this day after day? Resus patients are quickly assessed and stepped down to make room for the next pre-alert, going to the area with those same poor nurses, already overstretched, now inheriting an severely unwell patient. We need to accept the truth, the NHS isn’t breaking, it’s broken. And the same ******** who broke it are doing reality TV shows and writing books about how they saved the NHS whilst refusing to increase nursing pay. We try and shovel **** with spoons whilst they pour it in with dump trucks. The NHS as we knew it is dead, and it breaks my heart, because it’s a beautiful system. It shouldn’t be like this, and those of us who have been around for longer than 5 years know it wasn’t always like this. The public have no idea, they don’t really know how dangerous this all is. When they come in they’re horrified, but most of the population don’t know how bad it is. This could be their mum on a trolley for 17 hours, or their wife or son or daughter. I genuinely feel it’s now our responsibility to speak out. We don’t for fear that it will make our hospital look bad or harm our careers. But it’s not a hospital problem, it’s a national problem, and it’s a problem brought about by the politics of the people in power. We need to shine a light on what they’ve done, make the public so angry that they demand a change. Massive recruitment of nurses through a proper wage/paid uni/free parking/free Nando’s if that’s what it takes would be a start. If anyone has any idea how we could coordinate some kind of campaign to show the state of emergency departments in the UK right now please write a response, because I can’t work in this much longer, and more importantly I’m not sure the patients can survive it." I am so staggered by the responses to this so far on here that I'm almost speechless. How the hell can Squeezed middle read this and only comment that labour couldn't do better. I am truly sorry Andrew that you have had to read such thoughtless words about something so serious.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 8, 2023 22:22:04 GMT
Borrowed from another site: "Posted anonymously by an A&E doctor: Im writing this because I’m angry. Actually more than that, I’m fu*king livid. I’m an A&E reg with 9+ years experience in A&E both here and overseas. This morning was the first time EVER that I cried in my car after a shift. I was on nights over this New Years period, but New Year was not the issue, every shift is like this now. Where 5 years ago we had 50 patients in the department on handover at night, we now have 180. It used to be around 20 patients to see with a 1-2 hour wait for clinician, it’s now 60-70 with a 10 hour wait. People used to lose their minds if patients were coming up to 4 hour breaches. Last night 60% of the patients in A&E had been there for more than 12 hours, some for more than 40. Many I saw the night before, still in the same place when I came on. No triage or obs after 2 hours of arrival, no bloods or ECGs or gas for 4 hours. Regularly finding people in the waiting room after 4 hours with initial gases showing hyperkalamia or severe acidosis or hypoglycaemia. 87 year olds coming in after falls sitting on chairs for 18 hours. Other elderly patients lying in their own urine for hours because there’s no staff, or even room to change them into something dry. As the reg in charge of the shift, Ive had (on multiple occasions) to help the sole nurse in the area change patients by holding a sheet around the bed because we have to do it in the middle of a corridor. People lying on the floor because there’s no chairs left, trolleys parked literally wherever we can put them. Things have been getting even worse for the last 3 months. 5 weeks I came home raging to my wife that people are sitting in their own **** for hours and it’s so inhumane. Now we’ve got to the point where people are actually dying. People who’ve been in A&E for 2-3 days, The media and public might blame the A&E nurses and doctors for this, but honestly what the fu*k are we meant to do with 180 people in a department built for 50. With 8 nurses rather than the MINIMUM staffing of 12. 1 or 2 nurses per area, giving meds, doing obs, trying to provide basic cares to 25-30 people, an absolute impossibility. And there’s less nurses every week, because honestly why would you put yourself through this day after day? Resus patients are quickly assessed and stepped down to make room for the next pre-alert, going to the area with those same poor nurses, already overstretched, now inheriting an severely unwell patient. We need to accept the truth, the NHS isn’t breaking, it’s broken. And the same ******** who broke it are doing reality TV shows and writing books about how they saved the NHS whilst refusing to increase nursing pay. We try and shovel **** with spoons whilst they pour it in with dump trucks. The NHS as we knew it is dead, and it breaks my heart, because it’s a beautiful system. It shouldn’t be like this, and those of us who have been around for longer than 5 years know it wasn’t always like this. The public have no idea, they don’t really know how dangerous this all is. When they come in they’re horrified, but most of the population don’t know how bad it is. This could be their mum on a trolley for 17 hours, or their wife or son or daughter. I genuinely feel it’s now our responsibility to speak out. We don’t for fear that it will make our hospital look bad or harm our careers. But it’s not a hospital problem, it’s a national problem, and it’s a problem brought about by the politics of the people in power. We need to shine a light on what they’ve done, make the public so angry that they demand a change. Massive recruitment of nurses through a proper wage/paid uni/free parking/free Nando’s if that’s what it takes would be a start. If anyone has any idea how we could coordinate some kind of campaign to show the state of emergency departments in the UK right now please write a response, because I can’t work in this much longer, and more importantly I’m not sure the patients can survive it." I am so staggered by the responses to this so far on here that I'm almost speechless. How the hell can Squeezed middle read this and only comment that labour couldn't do better. I am truly sorry Andrew that you have had to read such thoughtless words about something so serious. How do we know it is even true? Just more lefty bullshit. The twat who posted it didn't even have the balls to use their name.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 8, 2023 22:29:33 GMT
Here are the top 6 search results if I simply search on Conservative Party transgender Even the party disagrees with itself, and as for the bent press, well they are are you would say, up in arms.
What is the voter to make of all this?
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 8, 2023 22:36:54 GMT
Hmmm...
I've worked in the public sector for the last 27 years and I can tell you that New Labour carried on with largely Tory policies which they only really started to modify towards the end of their tenure. And then the Tories got in (ish) and carried on with largely New Labour policies. And soon we'll be there all over again.
I broadly agree with this which is the whole problem. New Labour differed from the tories only insofar as they were prepared to throw a whole lot more money at the problem. Which had the effect of actually reducing productivity in the NHS - any clown can throw money away, it's targeted investment that gains results that really matter. On this issue I'm quite impressed by what Wes Streeting has to say about reforming the NHS - whether anything comes to pass is another matter, talk is cheap.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 9, 2023 0:18:28 GMT
I am so staggered by the responses to this so far on here that I'm almost speechless. How the hell can Squeezed middle read this and only comment that labour couldn't do better. I am truly sorry Andrew that you have had to read such thoughtless words about something so serious. How do we know it is even true? Just more lefty bullshit. The twat who posted it didn't even have the balls to use their name. If you feel it's made up, feel free to believe that. I know where my money is. The main issue is, how are we going to resource the nhs. I'm not talking here about money, I'm talking about staffing.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 9, 2023 0:50:45 GMT
How do we know it is even true? Just more lefty bullshit. The twat who posted it didn't even have the balls to use their name. If you feel it's made up, feel free to believe that. I know where my money is. The main issue is, how are we going to resource the nhs. I'm not talking here about money, I'm talking about staffing. Increase the efficiency of the operation.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 9, 2023 0:56:15 GMT
How do we know it is even true? Just more lefty bullshit. The twat who posted it didn't even have the balls to use their name. If you feel it's made up, feel free to believe that. I know where my money is. The main issue is, how are we going to resource the nhs. I'm not talking here about money, I'm talking about staffing. Just the usual lefty bollocks that the pratt wouldn'y put his/her name too. And BTW a fool and his money is soon parted. And as for a staffing crisis that is not the case if your a lefty woke manager or diversity so called expert.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 9, 2023 6:48:21 GMT
I am so staggered by the responses to this so far on here that I'm almost speechless. How the hell can Squeezed middle read this and only comment that labour couldn't do better... Because I've been there Zany. And again, we're back to that lived experience - something that you clearly have very little of.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 9, 2023 6:52:39 GMT
Borrowed from another site: "Posted anonymously by an A&E doctor: Im writing this because I’m angry. Actually more than that, I’m fu*king livid. I’m an A&E reg with 9+ years experience in A&E both here and overseas. This morning was the first time EVER that I cried in my car after a shift. I was on nights over this New Years period, but New Year was not the issue, every shift is like this now. Where 5 years ago we had 50 patients in the department on handover at night, we now have 180. It used to be around 20 patients to see with a 1-2 hour wait for clinician, it’s now 60-70 with a 10 hour wait. People used to lose their minds if patients were coming up to 4 hour breaches. Last night 60% of the patients in A&E had been there for more than 12 hours, some for more than 40. Many I saw the night before, still in the same place when I came on. No triage or obs after 2 hours of arrival, no bloods or ECGs or gas for 4 hours. Regularly finding people in the waiting room after 4 hours with initial gases showing hyperkalamia or severe acidosis or hypoglycaemia. 87 year olds coming in after falls sitting on chairs for 18 hours. Other elderly patients lying in their own urine for hours because there’s no staff, or even room to change them into something dry. As the reg in charge of the shift, Ive had (on multiple occasions) to help the sole nurse in the area change patients by holding a sheet around the bed because we have to do it in the middle of a corridor. People lying on the floor because there’s no chairs left, trolleys parked literally wherever we can put them. Things have been getting even worse for the last 3 months. 5 weeks I came home raging to my wife that people are sitting in their own **** for hours and it’s so inhumane. Now we’ve got to the point where people are actually dying. People who’ve been in A&E for 2-3 days, The media and public might blame the A&E nurses and doctors for this, but honestly what the fu*k are we meant to do with 180 people in a department built for 50. With 8 nurses rather than the MINIMUM staffing of 12. 1 or 2 nurses per area, giving meds, doing obs, trying to provide basic cares to 25-30 people, an absolute impossibility. And there’s less nurses every week, because honestly why would you put yourself through this day after day? Resus patients are quickly assessed and stepped down to make room for the next pre-alert, going to the area with those same poor nurses, already overstretched, now inheriting an severely unwell patient. We need to accept the truth, the NHS isn’t breaking, it’s broken. And the same ******** who broke it are doing reality TV shows and writing books about how they saved the NHS whilst refusing to increase nursing pay. We try and shovel **** with spoons whilst they pour it in with dump trucks. The NHS as we knew it is dead, and it breaks my heart, because it’s a beautiful system. It shouldn’t be like this, and those of us who have been around for longer than 5 years know it wasn’t always like this. The public have no idea, they don’t really know how dangerous this all is. When they come in they’re horrified, but most of the population don’t know how bad it is. This could be their mum on a trolley for 17 hours, or their wife or son or daughter. I genuinely feel it’s now our responsibility to speak out. We don’t for fear that it will make our hospital look bad or harm our careers. But it’s not a hospital problem, it’s a national problem, and it’s a problem brought about by the politics of the people in power. We need to shine a light on what they’ve done, make the public so angry that they demand a change. Massive recruitment of nurses through a proper wage/paid uni/free parking/free Nando’s if that’s what it takes would be a start. If anyone has any idea how we could coordinate some kind of campaign to show the state of emergency departments in the UK right now please write a response, because I can’t work in this much longer, and more importantly I’m not sure the patients can survive it."
I don't doubt it - because that seems to apply across the whole public sector. And it has for my entire 27 years of public service.
And I wouldn't expect Labour to do anything about it, after all they never have before.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 9, 2023 7:17:10 GMT
I'm sorry, do you think that the state of the NHS now is the same as it was under Labour? 🤔
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 9, 2023 7:37:13 GMT
For over 13 years Labour have not made a single promise that has been broken, this is because they are not in government making any promises ........ and breaking them. You cannot compare like for like, the Tories are in power, the mess is theirs, only theirs, and all theirs, together with all their lies and broken promises. Again, you refer of course only to England Labour fuck up and break promises daily west of Offas dyke and have been doing for a quarter of a century uninterrupted by a decent opposition
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