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Post by research0it on Jan 6, 2023 13:56:32 GMT
Hi pacifico I know. The deficit contributes to the debt and builds it up. So the cost per year will accumulate. Did I not make that clear? Remember, however, that scotland had a large surplus for the 70's and 80's, a mixture of small surpluses and deficits in the 90's and small deficit until about 2008 and I have taken no account of that. I think you are trying to calculate something that is incalculable. Whether Scotland has a deficit or surplus has in recent decades been dependent on oil prices - sometimes its in surplus sometimes in deficit. However the National debt, of which Scotland is responsible for part of, was built up over 300 years - so determining whether overall Scotlands contribution was in surplus or deficit is something that I doubt anyone can calculate accurately. Hi pacifico I agree. That's why I presented it that way, because the amount the deficit adds to the debt in a single year can be known. Within the limits of how that is calculated, of course. |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 6, 2023 16:09:21 GMT
Hi vinny You're a strange one. I can't think of anyone who is so passionate about Scotland NOT leaving the uk. Why? Your answer will be instructive to me. Here's a hint. Why emotionally not technically. That is how you feel, not what you think is fair. Secondly taxes aren't moved about by the uk government. The uk government borrows to cover the costs of the regions where the taxes don't cover the costs of public services, then ALL taxes service that debt. So, taking scotland specifically. I'll go to the time before covid as that will represent more accurately the true position of all, long term. So scotland had an assessed deficit of @ 12.6 billion.
To cover that debt, the uk would borrow 12.6 billion.
The interest on that borrowing would be around 250 milion back then. Probably about 400 million now. We deduct the 8.4 % of that debt that Scottish taxes would service. Leaves about 228 million or 366 million to be serviced by the 61 million people in the remainder of the uk. Per year. Or around 4 pound or 6 pounds per head per year. It's not in fact even as much as that as quite a lot of Scotland's costs are actually charges by the uk to scotland and the money is not actually spent in Scotland. Boosting economic activity and taxes outside scotland. Mainly London. For that you're getting all those resources, that don't appear as assets on any of the above calculations. Deficit and debt are 2 entirely different things.. Not necessary. One creates the other. And any debt accrued by the UK is a matter for the UK to pay back. Or in short on indy. Bankrupt England. Any deficit that is being ranted about is under present constitional arrangements under UK total Public Expenditure and concerns in the main local authority. That being on a population basis. What £4 billion to sort out London sewage, amongst others. has to do with Scotland. Defies the hell out of me. Yorkshire has the same population as Scotland so the same absolute rubbish applies. GERs have long since been rubbished as now admitted by the Fraser of Allander institute. They are the author. The heid banger being a out and out Tory. Now gone. The reality. On a local authority deficit. English local authorities have a £300 billion short fall on PFI on NHS trusts alone. To put that in perspective. The Bank of England only holds £300 billion in gold reserve. It could not even bail out English locals authorities. That is the scale of the disaster the Westminster wankers have created. Many trusts had to be taken into administration. And as I speak 24 English local authority trust have declared a state of critical emergency . The Westminster wankers refuse to acknowledge. They are more interested in banning strikes. How any clown can still believe GERs is beyond me. Scotland more than pays its way in the UK. The only nation in the UK to do so. And has always done. It is the same now as in 2011 www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jan/06/nhs-trusts-england-critical-incidents-covid-pressures-omicronwww.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/09/04/my-thanks-to-the-fraser-of-allander-for-agreeing-i-am-right-on-gers-now-lets-have-the-debate-on-what-to-do-about-it/www.newstatesman.com/politics/2011/11/scotland-12288-union-publi www.businessforscotland.com/revealed-the-accounting-trick-that-hides-scotlands-wealth/ |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 6, 2023 16:35:45 GMT
And with that bullshit about Scotland not being a country. an integral country of the UK state, my suspicion is proven but the question remains "What was her name again"? ( course, could be his) Got him. He used to communicate with Ycop001..The most inoffensive poster on the net. He started ranting he would have voted for indy and the SNP but when he took into consideration, then waffled some havering slastering garbage. I cannot recall what he failed to take into consideration. But he went of like OM15 on a load of absolute bollocks about the ferry cock up. Failing to take into consideration. Failing Grayling cost the UK tax payer £20 billion. Or Bojoke £37 billion on test and trace or billions on PPE and many others. On top of his lying homophobic racist rants It was clear he was a out and out BritNat. He finally after so much waffle, lost track as he is doing now and disappeared, What he failed to take into consideration was so laughable. It beggared belief. I cannot recall what that was or his name. But it will come back. |
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Post by om15 on Jan 6, 2023 17:22:47 GMT
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Post by research0it on Jan 6, 2023 17:41:04 GMT
Hi Om15 You're quite a person for the hyperbole, I think. No one denies errors were made. There was more to the story today when it was revealed that the final design for the ferries was not in hand when the tenders were invited. But it's not a hanging offence and comparisons with hitlerd's brownshirts are way over the top. The above, if true, is the fault of the design team, not the politicians. The SNP were wrong to try to make political capital out of saving the yard, but name me a party that would have turned the opportunity down. |
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Post by om15 on Jan 6, 2023 18:08:53 GMT
It is breathtaking that the poor islanders now have to resort to organising their own ferries because the SNP are unable to do so. Perhaps there are some spare English ferries that are available, that would help to get food, medicine and boxes of matches to the wretched souls.
But as Jaydee points out quite frequently, this is only a minor cock up, particularly if you live in Edinburg near a Tesco mini market.
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Post by jaydee on Jan 6, 2023 18:40:33 GMT
It is breathtaking that the poor islanders now have to resort to organising their own ferries because the SNP are unable to do so. Perhaps there are some spare English ferries that are available, that would help to get food, medicine and boxes of matches to the wretched souls. But as Jaydee points out quite frequently, this is only a minor cock up, particularly if you live in Edinburg near a Tesco mini market. Its breathtaking now as your waffle changed. 1st it was the fault of the FM who stole the money. She was not even involved in the contract. As Ferguson Marine now admit the management mis-managed and misplaced £120 million. But why let facts get in the road. Then it was changed to alleged she stole the money. Then she stole the money earmarked for indy, Then that changed to alleged stole the money. Now the islander are organising their own ferry as you ranted there was only one ferry in Scotland, as the islander were starving to death. Then that changed to allegedly stole the money for the indy ref. . Then that changed to its a on going police enquiry. Because the Scots are all retards and products of in breeding. All from your gob and do not even attempt to deny it. And as jaydee points out.It is not a minor cock up.That does not even cost you as a English tax payer one penny It is a cock up not even approaching minor compared to the hundreds of billions cock ups by the wankers in Westminster, costing the Scottish tax payer billions. Not to mention CalMax makes a profit. And you wonder why I consider you bring to a new level the meaning of the word imbecile. And you missed out medication and on drugs. What exactly is your purpose of visiting the Scottish forum. You have this need to make a total prat of yourself, in your stupid attempt to belittle the Scots. Every one of your posts has been 100% wrong. And you come back time after time over the years and still rant the same bollocks. And as for your shite about how the islanders are all dying. I go over the ferry's at least 3 times a year. Twice last year from Oban to Craignure. Running on time. Saw no dead bodies. Twice last year from Ardrossan to Brodick. On time no dead bodies and a lovely meal of fish and chips. You should book yourself a weekend at the Arran sleep huts. It might ease all this Jock hatred you store up. Once on North link to the Orkney's on time and no dead bodies. Hell even Scapa Flow looked enticing. You should visit the Italian chapel and repent. Neolithic Orkney predates the pyramid. It might educate you. See third link And it is the BritNat press ranting about the ferry's. The islanders do not give a flying f'#c. Or even mention it. Like all Scots get on with their life. So why don't you go onto to the internet and book a ferry. The get back to me. With all the problems you encountered. I have even given you the links. Is that just not nice of me. So stop talking and ranting shite. On subjects you know SFA about. You are beyond contempt. www.calmac.co.uk/article/7796/Mull-Oban---Craignurewww.calmac.co.uk/article/7713/Arran-Ardrossan---Brodicken.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Orkney |
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Post by research0it on Jan 6, 2023 19:42:09 GMT
It is breathtaking that the poor islanders now have to resort to organising their own ferries because the SNP are unable to do so. Perhaps there are some spare English ferries that are available, that would help to get food, medicine and boxes of matches to the wretched souls. But as Jaydee points out quite frequently, this is only a minor cock up, particularly if you live in Edinburg near a Tesco mini market. Hi Om15 As far as scale of mistake, it's up there with the worst in contractual history. No one is minimising it. The outcomes of the failure, however, don't make the failure worse. It was a bad contractual mess, that's it and nothing more. Your statement about English ferries is very nationalistic as if the English are some kind of superior race, capable of coming to the rescue of the inferior Scots. I don't like to make comparison as it deflects from the mistakes that have been worse, but, in my opinion, the Westminster conservative government is infinitely less competent than the Edinburgh one. |
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Post by happyjack on Jan 7, 2023 2:13:53 GMT
And with that bullshit about Scotland not being a country. an integral country of the UK state, my suspicion is proven but the question remains "What was her name again"? ( course, could be his) Nae prob.. I will ask him. Hello happyjack what was your name on the old forum. Mines was Jaydee. ML was the same.. Surprise surprise.. Sooner or later as has just happened to me, less than 10 minutes ago. . Toredor made a stupid comment and it was a immediate penny drop. sallyforth. You will say something and the penny will also drop Hi John. Oh no! You have rumbled me - although it was not very intuitive of you not to have worked that out for yourself. At least Morayloon the Moderate, bless him, demonstrated some surprising awareness. Anyway, I cannot tell a lie. I was on the old site. My name back then was Balmaha. |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 7, 2023 9:56:27 GMT
Nae prob.. I will ask him. Hello happyjack what was your name on the old forum. Mines was Jaydee. ML was the same.. Surprise surprise.. Sooner or later as has just happened to me, less than 10 minutes ago. . Toredor made a stupid comment and it was a immediate penny drop. sallyforth. You will say something and the penny will also drop Hi John. Oh no! You have rumbled me - although it was not very intuitive of you not to have worked that out for yourself. At least Morayloon the Moderate, bless him, demonstrated some surprising awareness. Anyway, I cannot tell a lie. I was on the old site. My name back then was Balmaha. I did not twig till yesterday. The posts to YCOP. I did rumble. I posted it yesterday. Only after ML pointed it out. Now as I recall you went on a rant you were going to go for the SNP. But you came away with utter nonsense when you took into consideration something or other regarding the ferry fiasco. How Scotland will fall to bits and never recover again. Could you enlighten me what the expression of that something was again. I cannot recall the expression. As a point of interest. Why change your name. You are a Unionist out and out. What's the problem. You have every right to hold that view. So is D.Ross. Yeh.. Well I can see your problem. As you cannot tell a lie, You do know his own party are trying to dump him. Would you really in all honesty. Like to see that complete moronic clown as First Minister of Scotland. He makes Corbyn look brilliant. You do know the Branch Office have been instructed to destroy the Scottish Parliament. It seems they are about to succeed in destroying themselves. I think the technical expression is. The plan has back fired. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 7, 2023 11:37:30 GMT
In practice, neither Scotland, England, Wales or Northern Ireland are countries, they are member states of a union which is a sovereign country that has a military, a currency, a passport, a nationality (British), an Olympic team, Scotland isn't recognised by the Olympics, get over yourselves.
You're not the only state with big ideas, California in the USA used to be a country in its own right.
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Post by thomas on Jan 7, 2023 12:16:04 GMT
In practice, neither Scotland, England, Wales or Northern Ireland are countries, they are member states of a union which is a sovereign country that has a military, a currency, a passport, a nationality (British), an Olympic team, Scotland isn't recognised by the Olympics, get over yourselves. You're not the only state with big ideas, California in the USA used to be a country in its own right. They are countries.( apart from northern ireland which is a province .....or part of someone elses country the uk annexed like putin did with crimea)
What they arent is "sovereign" countries .
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Post by thomas on Jan 7, 2023 12:25:55 GMT
wrong way around. The uk is a (multi national ) state made up of countries.
Both wrong, I am afraid, although not surprising given the deluge of misinformation that we have all been subjected to throughout our lives. The UK is a country made up of various territories each of which, at one time or another, used to be something else but are now just territories within the country of UK.
lol .Scotland ticks the definition of country in every aspect as recognised throughout the world. Its not a sovereign country , though currently a devloved one , but still a country nonetheless.
The only misinformation is from people like you moonhowling while dancing on the head of a pin while arguing semantics.
Nothing unusual about it. You mean you didnt know throughout the history of the union and passports being issued , the terminology has varied between using words like british or uk , and calling us subjects , nationals or the more trendy modern term of citizen?
Im surprised?
Did you also know scotland the country issues scottish birth certificates and marriage certificates while the uk doesnt? Or are you still conveniently ignoring this inconvenient piece of information.? 
Britishness is a geographical not national distinction like scandianvian or iberian.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 7, 2023 22:24:09 GMT
Britishness is national not geographical. Scotland is a made up invention. Britain is an island nation.
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Post by research0it on Jan 7, 2023 22:28:02 GMT
Britishness is national not geographical. Scotland is a made up invention. Britain is an island nation. Hi vinny What difference to any situation or outcome do you think your statements make, |
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