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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 17:10:19 GMT
It is a low incidence, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Is that your excuse for not answering my questions. I'm not here to answer your questions. I'm here to add to the debate. My argument is that sex is determined by chromosomes. Perhaps you don't agree. Not much I can do to persuade anyone with a belief. You mean you are here in order to impose your point of view, and don't expect to be questioned on it. There is no debate about the male/female sex of an individual being labeled by a doctor. If you could prove that sex, i.e. sexual activity, is determined by chromosomes that would be interesting. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 17:17:03 GMT
1. Utter and absolute nonsense. ^^^^ YOU have NEVER looked at the full record of NLs period in office that is obvious when you do nothing but post negative things about them. Left-wingers get upset when they can't have things all their way, ditto right-wingers. Moderates from the Center Left and Center Right understand that there are poorer people who require some backing up and understand that creating businesses is part of what makes the economy work. Moderates look at the full picture, the less moderate don't.Well i look at you and steve srb , socialist old centre left labour , and you a new labour small c centre right tory , and i belive he is more moderate in most aspects than you.
Thats called judgement in the eye of the beholder.
New labour and their cult members dont tell me what they think is moderate. I make that decision for myself.
You might LOOK but you never learn and seldom actually reply to a post, most times you ignore the context of the post you reply to and just regurgitate your fixed opinions. Your judgement is flawed proven by the fact that you attack moderation as if it didn't actually exist in the real world. Only your subjective and clearly biased version of it exists in your world. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 5, 2023 17:28:45 GMT
Well i look at you and steve srb , socialist old centre left labour , and you a new labour small c centre right tory , and i belive he is more moderate in most aspects than you.
Thats called judgement in the eye of the beholder.
New labour and their cult members dont tell me what they think is moderate. I make that decision for myself.
You might LOOK but you never learn and seldom actually reply to a post, most times you ignore the context of the post you reply to and just regurgitate your fixed opinions. Your judgement is flawed proven by the fact that you attack moderation as if it didn't actually exist in the real world. Only your subjective and clearly biased version of it exists in your world. you are telling me what you believe moderates do , and im responding by pointing out not only do you not define moderates to me , but that i would say from debating with you on this forum you are less moderate than those on here you wish to tarnish as extreme. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 17:37:50 GMT
You might LOOK but you never learn and seldom actually reply to a post, most times you ignore the context of the post you reply to and just regurgitate your fixed opinions. Your judgement is flawed proven by the fact that you attack moderation as if it didn't actually exist in the real world. Only your subjective and clearly biased version of it exists in your world. you are telling me what you believe moderates do , and im responding by pointing out not only do you not define moderates to me , but that i would say from debating with you on this forum you are less moderate than those on here you wish to tarnish as extreme. In your immoderate fixed opinion approach, hmm, maybe. Neither you nor I determine what is moderate in politics, it is self determined by politics itself. You just appear to have a problem recognising it preferring your own personal version of it. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 5, 2023 17:44:31 GMT
you are telling me what you believe moderates do , and im responding by pointing out not only do you not define moderates to me , but that i would say from debating with you on this forum you are less moderate than those on here you wish to tarnish as extreme. Neither you nor I determine what is moderate in politics, you are catching on....
no its not. The perception of moderate is differnt in each person. They decide , not you or your party , what they think is moderate according to their beliefs.
I believe for example you are more extreme politically then some on here....
its only a problem for you when it differs to you and your parties definition , and you dont have blind unthinking agreement.
If only all the voting public were as daft as new labour and their cult supporters , elections would be a walk in the park for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 18:22:29 GMT
You call yourself left of centre but voted Tory in 2017? No true person on the left would ever vote Tory. Typical New Labourite preferring Tories to socialists. That you, a former Tory voter, are constantly spouting guff about the wonders of New Labour speaks volumes. Contemptible really. Moderates who make up the center-Left and the center-Right of politics will agree on somethings. The non-moderates on the more extreme wings of politics just don't understand that reality. The main single reason I voted for May, who has a comprehensive education background, was her desire for a system of wealth distribution in Business where a ratio between the pay of the CEO and the low paid in the company is maintained. This would mean low paid workers receiving an increase in pay each time the CEO took one. It would also stop CEOs pocketing all or most of the excess profits that arrive occasionally. That's the sort of thinking and progress I would like to see. What is contemptable are those single minded people of the left and the right who think there way is the right way and anything else is unacceptable. IMO that is the trade mark of arrogance and extremism. If you fell for that one from May you can add gullibility to your CV. Was she not in any case merely talking about the public sector and not the private? And it is a bit rich for you to accuse others of this when you yourself think your way is the right way and anything else is unacceptable, as well as extremist. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 5, 2023 18:51:47 GMT
Brilliant news, a shaft of light on an otherwise woke landscape. The Swiss should be applauded for applying common sense rather than allowing themselves to be brow beaten by the woke left wing EU states they are surrounded by. Well done Switzerland. |
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Post by vlk on Jan 5, 2023 19:41:59 GMT
You don't meet people in real life very often who are serious about these issues. Is it possible that you just ignore them and live and let live?
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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 20:04:29 GMT
Neither you nor I determine what is moderate in politics, you are catching on....
no its not. The perception of moderate is differnt in each person. They decide , not you or your party , what they think is moderate according to their beliefs.
I believe for example you are more extreme politically then some on here....
its only a problem for you when it differs to you and your parties definition , and you dont have blind unthinking agreement.
If only all the voting public were as daft as new labour and their cult supporters , elections would be a walk in the park for them.
I already knew that's why I pointed it out, I'm waiting for you to catch on. __"The perception of moderate is differnt in each person." --- Yes as you yourself prove. BUT you cannot make black into white or vice versa just because you have a different opinion. Which is what you attempt to do. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 20:20:21 GMT
Moderates who make up the center-Left and the center-Right of politics will agree on somethings. The non-moderates on the more extreme wings of politics just don't understand that reality. The main single reason I voted for May, who has a comprehensive education background, was her desire for a system of wealth distribution in Business where a ratio between the pay of the CEO and the low paid in the company is maintained. This would mean low paid workers receiving an increase in pay each time the CEO took one. It would also stop CEOs pocketing all or most of the excess profits that arrive occasionally. That's the sort of thinking and progress I would like to see. What is contemptable are those single minded people of the left and the right who think there way is the right way and anything else is unacceptable. IMO that is the trade mark of arrogance and extremism. If you fell for that one from May you can add gullibility to your CV. Was she not in any case merely talking about the public sector and not the private? And it is a bit rich for you to accuse others of this when your yourself think your way is the right way and anything else is unacceptable, as well as extremist. I see the grey matter working 'how do I get out of this one'. Let's imagine for a moment that she meant what she said, would it have been a bad thing that the left would not welcome? She didn't stipulate one particular area. Got any more ideas on how to avoid her words? I argue in defense of moderate politics, that's what I do. You have argued for less moderate politics and that is more divisive as New Labour proved. You need to remember that Old Labour made a habit of polishing the opposition benches, all one can do from there is to watch the increased suffering imposed by the less moderate Tories. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 5:47:50 GMT
If you fell for that one from May you can add gullibility to your CV. Was she not in any case merely talking about the public sector and not the private? And it is a bit rich for you to accuse others of this when your yourself think your way is the right way and anything else is unacceptable, as well as extremist. I see the grey matter working 'how do I get out of this one'. Let's imagine for a moment that she meant what she said, would it have been a bad thing that the left would not welcome? She didn't stipulate one particular area. Got any more ideas on how to avoid her words? I argue in defense of moderate politics, that's what I do. You have argued for less moderate politics and that is more divisive as New Labour proved. You need to remember that Old Labour made a habit of polishing the opposition benches, all one can do from there is to watch the increased suffering imposed by the less moderate Tories. With the help of you voting Tory obviously. And this designation of old Labour and New Labour is well past it's sell by date. So called New Labour is nearly 3 decades old now and formulated to deal with the problems of 1997. What you are deriding as Old Labour in 2017 came up with a very up to date manifesto designed to deal with up to date problems, a moderate social democratic set of policies. Yet you chose to vote Tory instead whilst laughably calling yourself the moderate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 6:09:25 GMT
If you fell for that one from May you can add gullibility to your CV. Was she not in any case merely talking about the public sector and not the private? And it is a bit rich for you to accuse others of this when your yourself think your way is the right way and anything else is unacceptable, as well as extremist. I see the grey matter working 'how do I get out of this one'. Let's imagine for a moment that she meant what she said, would it have been a bad thing that the left would not welcome? She didn't stipulate one particular area. Got any more ideas on how to avoid her words? I argue in defense of moderate politics, that's what I do. You have argued for less moderate politics and that is more divisive as New Labour proved. You need to remember that Old Labour made a habit of polishing the opposition benches, all one can do from there is to watch the increased suffering imposed by the less moderate Tories. She was referring only to the public sector as a way of restraining top pay in the public sector only. Stop trying to pretend otherwise. And its a rather pathetic excuse for voting Tory, an act which lends total credence to the reality that you Blairite types and Tories are indeed ideological bedfellows. Now you are here singing the praises of Theresa May to justify voting against Labour's moderate 2017 manifesto. You are in fact like most of your ilk a traitor to the cause of genuinely progressive politics. If someone who voted Tory in 2017 thinks Starmer is wonderful, that's yet another reason not to trust him with my vote. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2023 6:10:50 GMT
I see the grey matter working 'how do I get out of this one'. Let's imagine for a moment that she meant what she said, would it have been a bad thing that the left would not welcome? She didn't stipulate one particular area. Got any more ideas on how to avoid her words? I argue in defense of moderate politics, that's what I do. You have argued for less moderate politics and that is more divisive as New Labour proved. You need to remember that Old Labour made a habit of polishing the opposition benches, all one can do from there is to watch the increased suffering imposed by the less moderate Tories. With the help of you voting Tory obviously. And this designation of old Labour and New Labour is well past it's sell by date. So called New Labour is nearly 3 decades old now and formulated to deal with the problems of 1997. What you are deriding as Old Labour in 2017 came up with a very up to date manifesto designed to deal with up to date problems, a moderate social democratic set of policies. Yet you chose to vote Tory instead whilst laughably calling yourself the moderate. We don't need moderate politicians or policies. For Christs sake both the Tories and Labour have become 'moderate' or centrist, which is why people are bored with politcs and turnouts are so low. We need Labour to go back to the centre left and the Tories to move back to the centre right. Of course it's not going to happen, if Labour went back to their left wing roots they would go the same way as Corbyn, so they cant go left. If Sunak moves the Tories to their traditional centre right ground he is frightened of the left calling him a nasty right wing Tory. Modern politicians (imo) have no balls, they're constantly frightened of 'offending' someone. This is the age of Twitter, of the internet. It's the age when politicians became frightened of 'offending'. We are in the age of woke. But it wont last and for one reason. The vast majority don't want it and if the majority don't want something, then sooner or later democracy prevails. See the EU. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 6, 2023 6:18:48 GMT
With the help of you voting Tory obviously. And this designation of old Labour and New Labour is well past it's sell by date. So called New Labour is nearly 3 decades old now and formulated to deal with the problems of 1997. What you are deriding as Old Labour in 2017 came up with a very up to date manifesto designed to deal with up to date problems, a moderate social democratic set of policies. Yet you chose to vote Tory instead whilst laughably calling yourself the moderate. We don't need moderate politicians or policies. For Christs sake both the Tories and Labour have become 'moderate' or centrist, which is why people are bored with politcs and turnouts are so low. We need Labour to go back to the centre left and the Tories to move back to the centre right. Of course it's not going to happen, if Labour went back to their left wing roots they would go the same way as Corbyn, so they cant go left. If Sunak moves the Tories to their traditional centre right ground he is frightened of the left calling him a nasty right wing Tory. Modern politicians (imo) have no balls, they're constantly frightened of 'offending' someone. This is the age of Twitter, of the internet. It's the age when politicians became frightened of 'offending'. We are in the age of woke. But it wont last and for one reason. The vast majority don't want it and if the majority don't want something, then sooner or later democracy prevails. See the EU. The fucking eternally offended are pushing us normal ones over the edge and it is going to kick off big time one day. And just to add to that some pricks in parliement are now moaning about the royal coach used for coronations as they are trying to link that to slavery. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2023 6:27:17 GMT
The fucking eternally offended are pushing us normal ones over the edge and it is going to kick off big time one day. And just to add to that some pricks in parliement are now moaning about the royal coach used for coronations as they are trying to link that to slavery. I agree, it is getting ridiculous. But I don't think it will last for much longer. The cult of BLM died and the signs are that woke is slowly going the same way. Hands up anyone who's surprised. |
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