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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 5, 2023 10:07:46 GMT
Starmer is a tool of the highest order. What about drakeford in Wales? Have they or are they introducing similar in your country? The labour branch office in scotland supported this legisaltion , and of course starmer has said if he gains power he has it earmarked for England. Let’s remind ourselves again its also cross party , with the like of fabricant , theresa may and penny mordaunt also supporting this from the tories. Nation, Thomas, Nation. As for the Principality that has been joined to England for over six hundred years and remains so, Drakeford is on record as saying Transgender Women Are Women www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/mark-drakeford-says-transgender-women-24167032.ampHe is of course running away soon and won’t be on the battlements for the next hot air shit pit election so what he says doesn’t exactly matter much. I know the desire to ignore biological women in favour of loud mouthed pretend ones runs deep in other parties but the tories are currently heading the way of the dodo which regrettably makes what this fuckwit Starmer thinks somewhat more important |
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Post by thomas on Jan 5, 2023 10:12:46 GMT
Starmer is a tool of the highest order. What about drakeford in Wales? Have they or are they introducing similar in your country? The labour branch office in scotland supported this legisaltion , and of course starmer has said if he gains power he has it earmarked for England. [/div]
Lets remind ourselves again its also cross party , with the like of fabricant , theresa may and penny mordaunt also supporting this from the tories.
[/quote] Well, Drakeford is on record as saying Transgender Women Are Women www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/mark-drakeford-says-transgender-women-24167032.ampHe is of course running away soon and won’t be on the battlements for the next hot air shit pit election so what he says doesn’t exactly matter much. I know the desire to ignore biological women in favour of loud mouthed pretend ones runs deep in other parties but the tories are currently heading the way of the dodo which regrettably makes what this fuckwit Starmer thinks somewhat more important [/quote][/div]
John i ask again to anyone who can help....what is actually the fuck going on in this world we live in ? Its like the end days of rome , where a collective madness has overtaken the political elite.
Off topic , we were thinking of holidaying in the states this year , and i have just read Bidens USA is the only country in the world demanding proof of two covid vaccinations.
The link between this and the topic of the thread is bad law.
Bidens covid stipulation means you can have covid but freely enter america as long as you prove you have had two vaccinations , but if you dont have covid , but have no proof of vaccinations you cant enter.
Madness.
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Post by thomas on Jan 5, 2023 10:15:35 GMT
Starmer is a tool of the highest order. What about drakeford in Wales? Have they or are they introducing similar in your country? The labour branch office in scotland supported this legisaltion , and of course starmer has said if he gains power he has it earmarked for England. Let’s remind ourselves again its also cross party , with the like of fabricant , theresa may and penny mordaunt also supporting this from the tories. Nation, Thomas, Nation. As for the Principality that has been joined to England for over six hundred years and remains so, Drakeford is on record as saying Transgender Women Are Women your pardon i stand corrected. Its sometimes easy to forget wales has a different relationship to england than we have , even with devolution.
I see from the article Drakeford agrees with Mordaunt on his position ....
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 5, 2023 11:20:59 GMT
Hi Thomas I said if I tried to edit that quote heirarchy it wouod be a disaster and ... presto
On the COVID front because my GP gets lots of wonga for ticking boxes and a telling off and a wonga reduction if he doesnlt, I get a lot of bullying on this front from them as does my wife. In the past eight weeks I've had two letters one from the GP and one from Health Gestapo Central pretty much demanding i rock up and be jabbed.
I wrote back to each (had to do something with the non barcoded 2nd class stamps)
I pointed to the fact i have irrefutable medical proof in the form of two INR tests taken a week each side of my second COVID jab that my warfarin blood thinning regimen was totally wrecked, and my clotting altered from the stroke consultant's required 3 times thinner than normal down to barely 1.5 times normal seven days after the 2nd jab, and that after the 1st booster some months ago i didn't make it out of the vaccination centre without oxygen and a wheelchair so they can take their demand i have a second booster and go jump in the fucking sea unquote.
I actually had covid for the third time about a week before the first of those letters, that'll be shortly after bonfire night. I tested positive with a high temp but none of the nastier loss of smell taste etc, crawled to my work from home office for five days and apart from feeling rough had none of the nastier follow on effects (the heart problems and stroke) the second infection hit me with.
I admit i only had the second jab of the two main ones because i could not fly to greece without it, but that bastard Dickford refused to provide the details to allow me to fly out of england, declaring he felt no one should fly so he wasn't going to make the results of welsh tests compatible with english systems. Bastard.
I admit I went there before this COVID shit started, and indeed, got back just before they started impounding the cruise ships, but my trip to Alaska was an eye opener.
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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 12:34:50 GMT
I don't profess to know the disorders of any of the "50 shades of teapot" characters you refer to, do you? Apparently 1 in 4 people in the UK have mental difficulties. Who knows what goes on the human mind? I do not claim to be a Labour supporter, I voted Tory in 2017. and didn't vote for anyone in the 2019 election. Despite your personal dislike for New Labour I personally think they were a ray of sunshine and fresh air, especially considering what went before them and what followed after them. You call yourself left of centre but voted Tory in 2017? No true person on the left would ever vote Tory. Typical New Labourite preferring Tories to socialists. That you, a former Tory voter, are constantly spouting guff about the wonders of New Labour speaks volumes. Contemptible really. Moderates who make up the center-Left and the center-Right of politics will agree on somethings. The non-moderates on the more extreme wings of politics just don't understand that reality. The main single reason I voted for May, who has a comprehensive education background, was her desire for a system of wealth distribution in Business where a ratio between the pay of the CEO and the low paid in the company is maintained. This would mean low paid workers receiving an increase in pay each time the CEO took one. It would also stop CEOs pocketing all or most of the excess profits that arrive occasionally. That's the sort of thinking and progress I would like to see. What is contemptable are those single minded people of the left and the right who think there way is the right way and anything else is unacceptable. IMO that is the trade mark of arrogance and extremism. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 5, 2023 12:44:40 GMT
You call yourself left of centre but voted Tory in 2017? No true person on the left would ever vote Tory. Typical New Labourite preferring Tories to socialists. That you, a former Tory voter, are constantly spouting guff about the wonders of New Labour speaks volumes. Contemptible really. . IMO that is the trade mark of arrogance and extremism. then you are that man.
Moderation is in the eye of the beholder. Every political party in history or leader has felt his actions moderate and just. That didnt make them so simply because he defined them.
If new labours extreme politics of past and present are the new moderate , then thank fuck im not one with them.
When you describe ineptitude, corruption , greed , immorality ,etc as "moderate" , then the word stops having any meaning in the english language.
The uk doesnt need two tory parties. We already have one.
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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 12:57:23 GMT
XXY problems. --"in teenagers – growing taller than expected for the family (with long arms and legs), broad hips, poor muscle tone and slower than usual muscle growth, reduced facial and body hair that starts growing later than usual, a small penis and testicles, and enlarged breasts (gynaecomastia)"-- That is being influenced in a feminine way or in a reduced male way. i.e. some feminine traits. So the information given would be greatly improved if diagnosed as Male with Feminine traits. If that was you, do you think you might question your masculinity. And maybe even find yourself fitting in better with female company rather than what is often male brashness? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 13:02:47 GMT
What is the incidence of this in society see2, and are they the people reporting "gender dysphoria"?
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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 13:17:09 GMT
. IMO that is the trade mark of arrogance and extremism. then you are that man.
Moderation is in the eye of the beholder. Every political party in history or leader has felt his actions moderate and just. That didnt make them so simply because he defined them.
If new labours extreme politics of past and present are the new moderate , then thank fuck im not one with them.
When you describe ineptitude, corruption , greed , immorality ,etc as "moderate" , then the word stops having any meaning in the english language.
The uk doesnt need two tory parties. We already have one.
Extremism on both the left wing and the right wing of politics are a reality. Yet both have some acceptable moderate beliefs. Moderate politicians begin with moderation in their approach and can take the good from the left and the good from the right and add it to their position. The end result is that they can perform without the knee jerk one sided nonsense that hangs about in the two extremes. You are using your OPINIONS as facts and then using them to create lies about what I believe. SHAME ON YOU! As for your inane comment on not wanting two Tory parties all you have done is to expose your absolute ignorance of the FULL workings of NL and your total self indoctrinated bias. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 13:28:55 GMT
What is the incidence of this in society see2, and are they the people reporting "gender dysphoria"? It is a low incidence, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Is that your excuse for not answering my questions. Regardless of hormonal mix NO ONE knows the full workings of the human body and mind. I know that for me to behave like a woman is an impossibility, I give the same credibility to probably the majority of those with mixed hormonal or for whatever reason with personal beliefs they are in the wrong body. The idiots would likely be idiots regardless of the sexuality. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 5, 2023 13:59:03 GMT
then you are that man.
Moderation is in the eye of the beholder. Every political party in history or leader has felt his actions moderate and just. That didnt make them so simply because he defined them.
If new labours extreme politics of past and present are the new moderate , then thank fuck im not one with them.
When you describe ineptitude, corruption , greed , immorality ,etc as "moderate" , then the word stops having any meaning in the english language.
The uk doesnt need two tory parties. We already have one.
Extremism on both the left wing and the right wing of politics are a reality. no see 2 , the reality as i hint at is controlling the narrative in the new labour way and defining whatever you like as moderate and extreme is the reality.
Labour have been trying and failing to project themselves as the saviours of the moderate centre ( the centre in terms of policy usually defined as a fag paper to the left /right of the tories on any given issue) for decades , yet they have been out of power for 12 years in the uk , and 15 years in scotland.
In that time , i have seen their adversaries ( such as the snp , anything from the tartan tories to tartan communiists lol)defined in every way imaginable as they fight to be seen as the party to vote for.
The carefull voter sees through all that bullshit , and looks at their record in goverment and poor policy on offer. Hence why they dont get elected.
Irrespective of who they define as what.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2023 14:33:56 GMT
What is the incidence of this in society see2, and are they the people reporting "gender dysphoria"? It is a low incidence, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Is that your excuse for not answering my questions. I'm not here to answer your questions. I'm here to add to the debate. My argument is that sex is determined by chromosomes. Perhaps you don't agree. Not much I can do to persuade anyone with a belief. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 5, 2023 15:06:09 GMT
It's nice to know there is a country out there that is still sane. The democrats in America wont be pleased one of the vassal states have broken ranks with american lunacy. Exactly. It's not insanity, but fear of what reprisals there would be.
The threat is wrapped up in an acronym ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) and applied to financial decisions.
You need to copy this link and paste it because the forum screws it up.
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Post by see2 on Jan 5, 2023 16:58:07 GMT
Extremism on both the left wing and the right wing of politics are a reality. no see 2 , the reality as i hint at is controlling the narrative in the new labour way and defining whatever you like as moderate and extreme is the reality.
Labour have been trying and failing to project themselves as the saviours of the moderate centre ( the centre in terms of policy usually defined as a fag paper to the left /right of the tories on any given issue) for decades , yet they have been out of power for 12 years in the uk , and 15 years in scotland.
In that time , i have seen their adversaries ( such as the snp , anything from the tartan tories to tartan communiists lol)defined in every way imaginable as they fight to be seen as the party to vote for.
The carefull voter sees through all that bullshit , and looks at their record in goverment and poor policy on offer. Hence why they dont get elected.
Irrespective of who they define as what.
1. Utter and absolute nonsense. ^^^^ YOU have NEVER looked at the full record of NLs period in office that is obvious when you do nothing but post negative things about them. Left-wingers get upset when they can't have things all their way, ditto right-wingers. Moderates from the Center Left and Center Right understand that there are poorer people who require some backing up and understand that creating businesses is part of what makes the economy work. Moderates look at the full picture, the less moderate don't. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 5, 2023 17:07:03 GMT
no see 2 , the reality as i hint at is controlling the narrative in the new labour way and defining whatever you like as moderate and extreme is the reality.
Labour have been trying and failing to project themselves as the saviours of the moderate centre ( the centre in terms of policy usually defined as a fag paper to the left /right of the tories on any given issue) for decades , yet they have been out of power for 12 years in the uk , and 15 years in scotland.
In that time , i have seen their adversaries ( such as the snp , anything from the tartan tories to tartan communiists lol)defined in every way imaginable as they fight to be seen as the party to vote for.
The carefull voter sees through all that bullshit , and looks at their record in goverment and poor policy on offer. Hence why they dont get elected.
Irrespective of who they define as what.
1. Utter and absolute nonsense. ^^^^ YOU have NEVER looked at the full record of NLs period in office that is obvious when you do nothing but post negative things about them. Left-wingers get upset when they can't have things all their way, ditto right-wingers. Moderates from the Center Left and Center Right understand that there are poorer people who require some backing up and understand that creating businesses is part of what makes the economy work. Moderates look at the full picture, the less moderate don't.Well i look at you and steve srb , socialist old centre left labour , and you a new labour small c centre right tory , and i belive he is more moderate in most aspects than you.
Thats called judgement in the eye of the beholder.
New labour and their cult members dont tell me what they think is moderate. I make that decision for myself.
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