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Post by see2 on Jan 17, 2023 17:40:39 GMT
You said the graph was evidence of NHS improvements It showed nothing of the sort, it showed a lobby group logging of waiting times not improvements in health outcomes ( in case you hadn't realised improved health outcomes would show more people getting better not still lagging behind first world countries on matters like cancer) most so your claim that it did so was pure fabrication First of all, I remember that the NHS was in a rundown state when Thatcher left office and was still in a rundown state when NL arrived in 1997. So much so that because of the backlog of non-urgent but pain relieving operation needed, with waiting times of 12 months or more, NL sent many into the Private sector or over to France for operations in order to reduce that backlog. I remember the increased waiting times and the large waiting lists for Hospital appointments. All thanks to 18 years of Tory maladministration and all of which had to be addressed, amongst other things, by NL. Who also had to set in motion more training for new doctors and nurses. The NHS was well improved from that sad mess by 2008. Improvements were made on cancer outcomes but still lagged behind other first world countries. But what were the Tories doing on this during their 18 years in office. Other than that I have no interest in your biased unproven opinions on the NHS in that period. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 17, 2023 19:09:05 GMT
First of all, I remember that the NHS was in a rundown state when Thatcher left office and was still in a rundown state when NL arrived in 1997. So much so that because of the backlog of non-urgent but pain relieving operation needed, with waiting times of 12 months or more, NL sent many into the Private sector or over to France for operations in order to reduce that backlog. I remember the increased waiting times and the large waiting lists for Hospital appointments. All thanks to 18 years of Tory maladministration and all of which had to be addressed, amongst other things, by NL. Who also had to set in motion more training for new doctors and nurses. The NHS was well improved from that sad mess by 2008. Improvements were made on cancer outcomes but still lagged behind other first world countries. But what were the Tories doing on this during their 18 years in office. Other than that I have no interest in your biased unproven opinions on the NHS in that period. -------------------------------------------------- So , other that posting a lobby group's graph about waiting times, you cannot evidence in any way your so called ''improvements'' that you claim were made to the NHS under Labour. Therefore what you now claim to ''remember'' is merely your biased unproven opinions on the NHS in that period.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 17, 2023 19:13:36 GMT
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Post by see2 on Jan 17, 2023 19:39:08 GMT
Jan 17, 2023 19:09:05 GMT ratcliff said: So , other that posting a lobby group's graph about waiting times, you cannot evidence in any way your so called ''improvements'' that you claim were made to the NHS under Labour. Therefore what you now claim to ''remember'' is merely your biased unproven opinions on the NHS in that period. Hilarious You might think memory is just "biased unproven opinion" perhaps you are thinking about how your memory works, it certainly isn't how my memory works. Or maybe you were just trying to be clever, and failing. You haven't proved anything and you haven't disproved anything so your rambling is just ill-informed opinion, Little wonder you laugh at yourself. I begrudge doing the research Again especially for people who are so confidently ill-informed as yourself, but I just might anyway. |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 17, 2023 19:40:02 GMT
Is all the NHS in a bad state?
I take my father to hospital for blood tests and consultant meetings and it seems ok.
The parking is another story and effing atrocious having to use supermarket parking and walk.
One thing about blood testing area it seems to be busy when the weather is good and quiet when it is blowing a gale.
Haven't been to A & E recently though.
I do live in a Tory seat.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 17, 2023 20:01:14 GMT
Is all the NHS in a bad state? I take my father to hospital for blood tests and consultant meetings and it seems ok. The parking is another story and effing atrocious having to use supermarket parking and walk. One thing about blood testing area it seems to be busy when the weather is good and quiet when it is blowing a gale. Haven't been to A & E recently though. I do live in a Tory seat. Think it's hit and miss.
Depends where you live and what council is running the area.
Most Labour run Councils the NHS performs badly, probably manipulated for political motives.
One reason I have said the NHS should be taken out of politics, Labour are using the NHS as a political football.
Labour have no argument because this government is spending colossal amounts of money on the NHS
How much money was spent on the NHS last year
Overall, however, healthcare spending has increased significantly since the NHS was established in 1948. It reached £172bn for the UK in 2020/21, without spending on COVID-19. When including spending on COVID-19, it reached more than £219bn.
Labour can not say this government is not putting money in to the NHS ^^
It's a bottomless pit.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 17, 2023 21:10:13 GMT
A while back I asked if anyone wanted to cap spending on the NHS and turn down the ever growing treatments and drugs that keep making it more expensive. The answer was fairly muted, so I have decided to link new discoveries one at a time and see which ones my fellow members would like the NHS to ignore. Here's my first. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/01/230105151355.htm"The latest discovery, described today in the journal Science, is a previously unknown component of brain anatomy that acts as both a protective barrier and platform from which immune cells monitor the brain for infection and inflammation." |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 17, 2023 21:23:30 GMT
A while back I asked if anyone wanted to cap spending on the NHS and turn down the ever growing treatments and drugs that keep making it more expensive. The answer was fairly muted, so I have decided to link new discoveries one at a time and see which ones my fellow members would like the NHS to ignore. Here's my first. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/01/230105151355.htm"The latest discovery, described today in the journal Science, is a previously unknown component of brain anatomy that acts as both a protective barrier and platform from which immune cells monitor the brain for infection and inflammation." Anything that benefits old people ..count me in.👍 |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2023 22:07:35 GMT
A while back I asked if anyone wanted to cap spending on the NHS and turn down the ever growing treatments and drugs that keep making it more expensive. The answer was fairly muted, so I have decided to link new discoveries one at a time and see which ones my fellow members would like the NHS to ignore. Here's my first. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/01/230105151355.htm"The latest discovery, described today in the journal Science, is a previously unknown component of brain anatomy that acts as both a protective barrier and platform from which immune cells monitor the brain for infection and inflammation." Hoe much does it cost? |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 17, 2023 22:24:34 GMT
A while back I asked if anyone wanted to cap spending on the NHS and turn down the ever growing treatments and drugs that keep making it more expensive. The answer was fairly muted, so I have decided to link new discoveries one at a time and see which ones my fellow members would like the NHS to ignore. Here's my first. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/01/230105151355.htm"The latest discovery, described today in the journal Science, is a previously unknown component of brain anatomy that acts as both a protective barrier and platform from which immune cells monitor the brain for infection and inflammation." Hoe much does it cost? Nothing yet, but it will that much is certain. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2023 22:32:47 GMT
Nothing yet, but it will that much is certain. Well if it is too expensive the NHS wont use it - problem solved. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 18, 2023 7:40:55 GMT
ratcliff said So , other that posting a lobby group's graph about waiting times, you cannot evidence in any way your so called ''improvements'' that you claim were made to the NHS under Labour. Therefore what you now claim to ''remember'' is merely your biased unproven opinions on the NHS in that period. Hilarious --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Read, interesting information. __"Public consultation on the NHS Plan found that the top concern among the general public regarding the health service was waiting times, although this was not the main concern of NHS staff (see Alignment below). As a result, reducing waiting times became a central objective for the government. Targets were set to reduce waiting times for both primary and hospital care for outpatients and inpatients. By 2004, the aim was that patients would see a primary care professional within 24 hours and a GP within 48 hours.[2] Maximum waiting times for Accident and Emergency (A&E) were set at 4 hours, with an average waiting time of 75 minutes expected.[2] By 2005, outpatient waiting times were to be reduced from 6 months to 3; maximum waiting times for inpatients were to be reduced from 18 months to 6. By 2008, the target was for all treatments to take place within a maximum waiting time of 3 months, and this period was called the referral-to-treatment (RTT)"__ Read on for further information. www.centreforpublicimpact.org/case-study/nhs-plan-reducing-waiting-times-providing-high-quality-patient-care-uk#:~:text=By%20the%20end%20of%202009%2C%20the%20average%20waiting,percent%20of%20outpatients%20started%20treatment%20within%2018%20weeks. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 18, 2023 8:30:09 GMT
Nothing yet, but it will that much is certain. Well if it is too expensive the NHS wont use it - problem solved. How much is too expensive? Should we lock it at the current amount? www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/01/230110191410.htmAlzheimer disease begins decades before any symptoms, such as memory loss, start to show. Consequently, early diagnosis increases the chances of slowing the disease down with drugs. A new study on an inherited form of the disease shows that a protein called GFAP is a possible biomarker for very early stages of the disease. The study could one day lead to an earlier detection of this serious and common disease. How about this test ^^. Should we say, NO MORE, the NHS is too expensive already. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 18, 2023 8:39:13 GMT
Well if it is too expensive the NHS wont use it - problem solved. Should we lock it at the current amount? Well currently it's about £30,000 for every extra year gained by the treatment. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 18, 2023 8:43:12 GMT
How much is too expensive? Should we lock it at the current amount? Well currently it's about £30,000 for every extra year gained by the treatment. Sorry Pacifico, I don't understand this number, can you explain more? |
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