|
|
Post by Pacifico on Jan 16, 2023 22:09:05 GMT
Good example of the shit-show that the NHS has become in today's paper - bureaucracy rules..
|
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Jan 16, 2023 22:20:55 GMT
There is not enough domiciliary care workers . They get shit money tbh.
Imo they are far more deserving of a higher wage than NHS workers .
|
|
|
|
Post by jonksy on Jan 16, 2023 22:57:08 GMT
There is not enough domiciliary care workers . They get shit money tbh. Imo they are far more deserving of a higher wage than NHS workers . At least tey have to work for a living mate and are far more skilled than half these so called nurses. And thy are paid just above the NLW. No sick pay for them either if they are ill unlike the nurses etc. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 23:11:59 GMT
Pro rata, the NHS has no more managers or administrators than any other organisation or in private business.
No organisation can exist without managers, administrators, clerical staff, secretaries or support staff.
Since 2010 the successive Tory governments have reduced administrative staff within the NHS by 18%, and thats a problem.
Its a common "excuse" frequently put forward by those on the Right, Tories and Populists, including UKIP, that the problems in the NHS are caused by too many administrative staff.
The problems in our NHS are the cause of a lack of investment over 12 years by the Conservatives, and its as simple as that.
|
|
|
|
Post by Toreador on Jan 16, 2023 23:12:32 GMT
Good example of the shit-show that the NHS has become in today's paper - bureaucracy rules.. On the numerous occasions I was in hospital, I made it a standing joke about whether I would make it out by 6pm. On one occasion when they said I had to stay in overnight I told them I would discharge myself. All hell broke loose and they called a junior doctor who watched me put my jacket on, asked me to give him five minutes and came back with discharge papers. |
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Jan 16, 2023 23:13:07 GMT
There is not enough domiciliary care workers . They get shit money tbh. Imo they are far more deserving of a higher wage than NHS workers . At least tey have to work for a living mate and are far more skilled than half these so called nurses. And thy are paid just above the NLW. No sick pay for them either if they are ill unlike the nurses etc. The domiciliary care workers have a strict timetable . There are legally liable for the documents they sign. It’s a difficult job , stressful and sometimes dangerous They get about £13/ £14 per hour including petrol allowance in my area. |
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Jan 17, 2023 7:44:18 GMT
Pro rata, the NHS has no more managers or administrators than any other organisation or in private business. No organisation can exist without managers, administrators, clerical staff, secretaries or support staff. Since 2010 the successive Tory governments have reduced administrative staff within the NHS by 18%, and thats a problem.
Its a common "excuse" frequently put forward by those on the Right, Tories and Populists, including UKIP, that the problems in the NHS are caused by too many administrative staff. The problems in our NHS are the cause of a lack of investment over 12 years by the Conservatives, and its as simple as that. I find that very difficult to believe - do you have a link?  |
|
|
|
Post by zanygame on Jan 17, 2023 7:56:27 GMT
Good example of the shit-show that the NHS has become in today's paper - bureaucracy rules.. On the numerous occasions I was in hospital, I made it a standing joke about whether I would make it out by 6pm. On one occasion when they said I had to stay in overnight I told them I would discharge myself. All hell broke loose and they called a junior doctor who watched me put my jacket on, asked me to give him five minutes and came back with discharge papers. Here we do agree. At Adenbrookes Cambridge the problem always seems to be the drugs, the hospital pharmacy department is hopelessly understaffed. Yet another false saving. |
|
|
|
Post by zanygame on Jan 17, 2023 8:00:11 GMT
Pro rata, the NHS has no more managers or administrators than any other organisation or in private business. No organisation can exist without managers, administrators, clerical staff, secretaries or support staff. Since 2010 the successive Tory governments have reduced administrative staff within the NHS by 18%, and thats a problem.
Its a common "excuse" frequently put forward by those on the Right, Tories and Populists, including UKIP, that the problems in the NHS are caused by too many administrative staff. The problems in our NHS are the cause of a lack of investment over 12 years by the Conservatives, and its as simple as that. I find that very difficult to believe - do you have a link? That will prove hard to show. Many managers have several titles and jobs fluctuate between admin and health staff almost monthly. |
|
|
|
Post by see2 on Jan 17, 2023 9:14:54 GMT
I would much sooner you posted facts than opinions. There is a post posted within the last week or two showing the massive improvement in the NHS under NL. I guess you missed it. Edit. Added information; See 5th post down of page 14 this thread for graph showing the improvement in the NHS under NL. That's a basic graph with waiting times according to a lobby group. Nothing to do with improving health outcomes for NHS patients Don't be silly. Now if you can produce evidence that there was no improvement in the NHS during the latter years under NL, I would be eager to see it, but I wont be holding my breath. |
|
|
|
Post by Toreador on Jan 17, 2023 9:28:53 GMT
That's a basic graph with waiting times according to a lobby group. Nothing to do with improving health outcomes for NHS patients Don't be silly. Now if you can produce evidence that there was no improvement in the NHS during the latter years under NL, I would be eager to see it, but I wont be holding my breath.Go on, give it a try.  |
|
|
|
Post by om15 on Jan 17, 2023 10:40:23 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Toreador on Jan 17, 2023 10:51:29 GMT
The word is gerrymandering, there were elections in 2005 and 2010. |
|
|
|
Post by ratcliff on Jan 17, 2023 16:39:20 GMT
That's a basic graph with waiting times according to a lobby group. Nothing to do with improving health outcomes for NHS patients Don't be silly. Now if you can produce evidence that there was no improvement in the NHS during the latter years under NL, I would be eager to see it, but I wont be holding my breath. You said the graph was evidence of NHS improvements It showed nothing of the sort, it showed a lobby group logging of waiting times not improvements in health outcomes ( in case you hadn't realised improved health outcomes would show more people getting better not still lagging behind first world countries on matters like cancer) most so your claim that it did so was pure fabrication |
|
|
|
Post by see2 on Jan 17, 2023 17:35:34 GMT
|
|
